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Joiner is great.
Etou is Etou.
IGBANU is a man and should be seeing much more time.

Tulsa's guards are bad compared to mediocre Illinois kids. Except for Joiner.

Tulsa will win around 12 games all year. Very disorganized. No identity. No leader.
 
Original Tulsa fan needs to go jump off a cliff or play in traffic. Either is fine with me. 12 games? No. For some reason we start slow under Haith and finish pretty strong, and I expect that to happen again. He's just gotta quit tinkering with the rotations and play his best players more.
 
Original Tulsa fan needs to go jump off a cliff or play in traffic. Either is fine with me. 12 games? No. For some reason we start slow under Haith and finish pretty strong, and I expect that to happen again. He's just gotta quit tinkering with the rotations and play his best players more.
Agree 100%

I don't understand not playing the very best line up possible at all times.

Of course you have to rest players, but giving minutes for other reasons is just a bad strategy. Especially if you are losing. Get up by 20 and then go nuts with playing time...
 
Last year we finished with a wimper.

I am usually Mr. Optimism but this is starting to feel more and more like JD Barnett level mediocrity.
 
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Agree 100%

I don't understand not playing the very best line up possible at all times.

Of course you have to rest players, but giving minutes for other reasons is just a bad strategy. Especially if you are losing. Get up by 20 and then go nuts with playing time...
From listening to the radio show last night, it seems that Haith is struggling to figure out who his best players are.
 
Smu lost to tcu. Not good for the conference.
Uh, TCU is a top 25 program right now. They're not the TCU of old where they lost 20 games every season. Jamie Dixon has the Frogs on a full 180 trajectory right now. They'll finish top 4 in the Big XII. It's not an awful loss for SMU.

Look at the stats and I may be eating my words on Chargois soon. He had 21 pts against the Frogs last night.
 
From listening to the radio show last night, it seems that Haith is struggling to figure out who his best players are.
It's hard to find that out if you don't let them play in at last a 5-6 minute stretch to let them at least get in the flow of the game. He puts Igbanu in and he scores 2-3 buckets and makes some great moves and can't be stopped inside...and then he subs him out after 3-4 minutes. Same with Scott...hits 2 or 3 shots and finds a rhythm on offense..sub him out for Henderson. Henderson is about the only one who gets long stretches of minutes, sometimes it's warranted, a lot of times it is not.

The rhythm I have liked although it doesn't always work for them is the sub pattern the Thunder uses under Billy Donovan. Paul George plays the 1st 5 minutes and goes out for Abrines or Huestis. Melo and Westbrook play 8-9 minutes and then go out until about 7 minutes left in the 2Q. It's like freaking clockwork unless there's an injury or a foul issue. Taplin and Etou should be playing 7 minute stretches...come out just before the 2nd TV time out, sit the 3rd TV timeout and then come back in for the rest of the half. Jeffries too. Scott and Wheeler can be in and out depending on effectiveness. Obviously there will be changes you want to make depending on situation or if there is an issue with how things are going and you need to coach a player up.
 
Uh, TCU is a top 25 program right now. They're not the TCU of old where they lost 20 games every season. Jamie Dixon has the Frogs on a full 180 trajectory right now. They'll finish top 4 in the Big XII. It's not an awful loss for SMU.

Look at the stats and I may be eating my words on Chargois soon. He had 21 pts against the Frogs last night.

Chargois has to be one of the leaders if not the leader thus far for AAC freshman of the year....and I thought he would be a bust.

More worrisome imo for the AAC is Memphis needed a last second shot at home to beat Samford.
 
Chargois has to be one of the leaders if not the leader thus far for AAC freshman of the year....and I thought he would be a bust.

More worrisome imo for the AAC is Memphis needed a last second shot at home to beat Samford.
And UCONN looked absolutely dreadful against one of the worst Syracuse teams to take the floor since Boeheim got there.

We should* be able to finish at least 5th in the conference. I know we have our issues, but we don't seem to be nearly as disjointed as either Memphis or UCONN at this point.
 
Last year we finished with a wimper.

I am usually Mr. Optimism but this is starting to feel more and more like JD Barnett level mediocrity.
Yeah I agree. My initial thought was "is it JD level or more Doug level, but Haith is a good guy so maybe it's more JP level" and then just got depressed. Like Eskimos have 100 words for different types of snow, we have many words for different ways coaches fail.
 
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Yeah I agree. My initial thought was "is it JD level or more Doug level, but Haith is a good guy so maybe it's more JP level" and then just got depressed. Like Eskimos have 100 words for different types of snow, we have many words for different ways coaches fail.

Sadly this hits home... if it’s not one thing it’s another with hoops.

I’m ready for something positive to happen in the athletic department... this is a tough year all around.
 
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And UCONN looked absolutely dreadful against one of the worst Syracuse teams to take the floor since Boeheim got there.

We should* be able to finish at least 5th in the conference. I know we have our issues, but we don't seem to be nearly as disjointed as either Memphis or UCONN at this point.

Amazing how far those two programs have fallen. Surely this is Ollie's last year.
 
Amazing how far those two programs have fallen. Surely this is Ollie's last year.
Vitale threw the AAC under the bus last night saying it was the lack of exposure of the conference leading to UCONN's inability to get difference makers on campus. I nearly yelled "Bullsh*t" out loud in an empty room which would have surely awoken my wife in the next room or my kids sleeping upstairs. Wichita State will actually be able to get better recruits from being in the conference. Cincinnati has maintained, UCF, Houston, SMU, us and Tulane are all better, to a degree, in this conference. Only ECU and USF haven't raised their level, and Memphis is down because Tubby doesn't put up with the same amount of crap Calipari and Pastner put up with. And it certainly hasn't hurt Geno Auriemma in recruiting. Maybe, just maybe, Ollie's not that great of a coach.
 
Haith obviously isn't in the "Mount Rushmore" level of TU coaches...

Ken Hayes
Nolan
Tubby
Self

I see Manning and Robinson a notch lower than the list above.

Then, below Manning and Robinson, I think Haith falls within the following coaches...
JD
Wojcik
Buzz (He was solid at App St)
Haith

Translation - I'll think he'll give us between 15-20 wins per season with no significant regression or progress.

This isn't good enough for me, but it isn't "bad enough" to fire him and eat his contract.

I'm assuming we'll ride out his contract and find someone else. The fans, donors, and university need to start "rubbing nickels together".
 
Haith obviously isn't in the "Mount Rushmore" level of TU coaches...

Ken Hayes
Nolan
Tubby
Self

I see Manning and Robinson a notch lower than the list above.

Then, below Manning and Robinson, I think Haith falls within the following coaches...
JD
Wojcik
Buzz (He was solid at App St)
Haith

Translation - I'll think he'll give us between 15-20 wins per season with no significant regression or progress.

This isn't good enough for me, but it isn't "bad enough" to fire him and eat his contract.

I'm assuming we'll ride out his contract and find someone else. The fans, donors, and university need to start "rubbing nickels together".
I still maintain that hiring Buzz is what sent us into this age of stagnation in TU basketball. He wasn't the right hire at that time although he knew and was roommate's with Michael Jordan. Hiring Billy Clyde (preferred) or Norm Roberts (2nd) to take over for Self would have been a much better option although you're likely looking for a new coach to take over in 3-4 years as they moved up.
 
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I still maintain that hiring Buzz is what sent us into this age of stagnation in TU basketball. He wasn't the right hire at that time although he knew and was roommate's with Michael Jordan. Hiring Billy Clyde (preferred) or Norm Roberts (2nd) to take over for Self would have been a much better option although you're likely looking for a new coach to take over in 3-4 years as they moved up.

Buzz should have never been hired. He had already demonstrated poor character when he backed out on a signed agreement the year before we hired him. Yet we hired him anyway. Our administration has no clue on how to conduct a national search.
 
The best search was when Judy called Bill on the golf course in Tulsa and offered him the job.
 
And Gillispie backing off giving Norm a chance killed our chances for a continuation of the Self years.
 
I.I is dead on...

Also, Self pushed Norm really hard on TU. I’m guessing he wanted to keep Billy Clyde on his staff for recruiting.
 
Last year we finished with a wimper.

I am usually Mr. Optimism but this is starting to feel more and more like JD Barnett level mediocrity.
Yeah I agree. My initial thought was "is it JD level or more Doug level, but Haith is a good guy so maybe it's more JP level" and then just got depressed. Like Eskimos have 100 words for different types of snow, we have many words for different ways coaches fail.
JD was before I started going to games with my dad, and after the excitement snd national prominence of Nolan.

That was the only time I lost so much interest that I even stopped following our scores after a few dumb losses in early season.

Starting to feel that way again, but have the advantage of enjoying every moment with my dad who is almost 89 now. That supercedes outcomes. But staying home to avoid long walks on creaky bones is getting more and more tempting. Time together can also happen in front of a 55 inch tv.
 
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From listening to the radio show last night, it seems that Haith is struggling to figure out who his best players are.

Here you go, coach. The rankings as of today.

1. Etou
2. Jeffries
3. Taplin
4. Igbanu
5. Joiner
6. Scott
7. Henderson / Wheeler
9. Korita
10. Artison
11. Jackson
 
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