Happy End of Democracy Day

[astonmartin708]

1) There are many poor female athletes who rely on athletics as a path to a college degree. Shame on you for attempting to turn back the strides females have made in athletics. Title9 be damned apparently

2) A below average male collegiate swimmer is an elite female college swimmer. Times are times in swimming. Pretty easy to compare.

Females competing in soccer against males from the age of 14-15 and up are certainly at a significantly higher risk of serious bodily injury. The differences in size, speed, strength are immense. Other contact sports would be the same.

Paths to college shouldn’t rely on title 9, at all. It’s your political party complaining about merit. College is about academics. I would personally get rid of title 9 and moreover athletic scholarships in general at non-profit institutions, especially in the age of NIL. There’s no reason to waste ladies time having to play sports, attend practices, travel and miss classes just so they can go to school. Just give them an academic scholarship and let them go to school. Those who want to play a sport should be able to, but it shouldn’t be the only condition available to them for an education.

You said women were at risk of getting hurt. You can’t get hurt by a swimmer in another lane. Most Olympic collegiate sports for women are non contact. Even the contact sports could see smaller males who couldn’t compete with the Lebron James or Travis Kelce’s of the world play. Why are short Asian men not typically able to play collegiate sports ? They couldn’t play the highest caliber men, but they might compete against high caliber women.

Females competing with SOME males in a few sports are at risk of injury. Many males are not much bigger than females….

Did you know that the TU women’s team under Mossman use to recruit smaller male students who had played in high school for the team to scrimmage against? No one cared.

 

[lawpoke87]

Paths to college shouldn’t rely on title 9, at all. It’s your political party complaining about merit. College is about academics. I would personally get rid of title 9 and moreover athletic scholarships in general at non-profit institutions, especially in the age of NIL. There’s no reason to waste ladies time having to play sports, attend practices, travel and miss classes just so they can go to school. Just give them an academic scholarship and let them go to school. Those who want to play a sport should be able to, but it shouldn’t be the only condition available to them for an education.

You said women were at risk of getting hurt. You can’t get hurt by a swimmer in another lane. Most Olympic collegiate sports for women are non contact. Even the contact sports could see smaller males who couldn’t compete with the Lebron James or Travis Kelce’s of the world play. Why are short Asian men not typically able to play collegiate sports ? They couldn’t play the highest caliber men, but they might compete against high caliber women.

Females competing with SOME males in a few sports are at risk of injury. Many males are not much bigger than females….

Did you know that the TU women’s team under Mossman use to recruit smaller male students who had played in high school for the team to scrimmage against? No one cared.

I never said female swimmers were at a greater risk of being injured competing against male athletes. Quit misstating my remarks.

I did say a low level male collegiate swimmer is an elite female swimmer. This is not subjective. Times are times.

I also stated high level female soccer players after a certain age are at a much higher risk for serious injury competing against high level male players due to disadvantages in size, speed, strength, physicality, etc… Not much debating this either for anyone who has a ounce of knowledge about the sport.

Most of us simply want some restrictions put in place. We just had a male collegiate athlete who took some hormones and in 18 months was allowed to compete as a female with predictable results. More troublesome was the number of people who supported such an action and result. If this precedent is followed and expanded, women sports would be in serious jeopardy.

 

[TU_BLA]

let science(DNA) prevail.

MAGAts don't believe in science. You can't pick and choose what to believe because it defends your position and then deny scientific study and outcomes in other areas because it doesn't back your given biases.

And by the way, and this might blow your mind, there are plenty of individuals in the world where their genotype and phenotype don't match what you'd expect to see. Genetics is pretty complex and I don't expect you to understand that things go wrong all the time in meiosis, fertilization, gene transcription and protein synthesis and thus the expression of genes is sometimes incomplete.

 

[TU_BLA]

Paths to college shouldn’t rely on title 9, at all. It’s your political party complaining about merit. College is about academics. I would personally get rid of title 9 and moreover athletic scholarships in general at non-profit institutions, especially in the age of NIL. There’s no reason to waste ladies time having to play sports, attend practices, travel and miss classes just so they can go to school. Just give them an academic scholarship and let them go to school. Those who want to play a sport should be able to, but it shouldn’t be the only condition available to them for an education.

You said women were at risk of getting hurt. You can’t get hurt by a swimmer in another lane. Most Olympic collegiate sports for women are non contact. Even the contact sports could see smaller males who couldn’t compete with the Lebron James or Travis Kelce’s of the world play. Why are short Asian men not typically able to play collegiate sports ? They couldn’t play the highest caliber men, but they might compete against high caliber women.

Females competing with SOME males in a few sports are at risk of injury. Many males are not much bigger than females….

Did you know that the TU women’s team under Mossman use to recruit smaller male students who had played in high school for the team to scrimmage against? No one cared.

Your argument is losing me, it's just all over the place. And please if you don't truly understand Title IX, then stop using it as a scapegoat for whatever you're trying to argue. Title IX isn't only about athletics and unfortunately 75% of individuals only know about it because of its implication in college athletics and not the fact that it actually protects women and their right to seek an education free from bias or prejudice or feeling threatened.

 

[lawpoke87]

MAGAts don't believe in science. You can't pick and choose what to believe because it defends your position and then deny scientific study and outcomes in other areas because it doesn't back your given biases.

And by the way, and this might blow your mind, there are plenty of individuals in the world where their genotype and phenotype don't match what you'd expect to see. Genetics is pretty complex and I don't expect you to understand that things go wrong all the time in meiosis, fertilization, gene transcription and protein synthesis and thus the expression of genes is sometimes incomplete.

Case in point on how complicated these situations can get…. Baby is born with both male and female genitalia. The child is medically raised as a male given testosterone through puberty. The kid reaches a point where he/she decides to play soccer on the girls side. Changes her name, reclassifies, etc… remember genetically there isn’t a true determination of gender. From a physical standpoint, this player looks and moves like a male. Should this player now be allowed to compete as a female after benefiting from testosterone injections growing up? The player is a really nice kid and great teammate btw.

 

[aTUfan]

MAGAts don't believe in science. You can't pick and choose what to believe because it defends your position and then deny scientific study and outcomes in other areas because it doesn't back your given biases.

And by the way, and this might blow your mind, there are plenty of individuals in the world where their genotype and phenotype don't match what you'd expect to see. Genetics is pretty complex and I don't expect you to understand that things go wrong all the time in meiosis, fertilization, gene transcription and protein synthesis and thus the expression of genes is sometimes incomplete.

DNA: male or female.

 

[TU_BLA]

DNA: male or female.

Right but bozos like you don't matter what's on the inside. The DNA makeup (genotype, I know it's a big word but you can look it up) doesn't match the phenotype. XX genotype says female, but this individual has a penis (phenotype male). Sorry that you can't comprehend that this actually happens because things occur in nature that are out of the ordinary.

Again, you can't holler about believing in the science of DNA and genetics and having it be the be all and end all of your argument, and then in the same breath denying vaccine efficacy because RFK, Jr and his brain worm told you it was dangerous (without any actual scientific research studies backing said claim). Or that climate change is not real because oil companies and Republicans who make their money in oil and gas told you not to believe it so they can continue to poison the planet for profit. Or that the leading cause of death among children in the US is gun violence just so you can go and buy a small arsenal of guns to prove your manhood.

 

[TU_BLA]

Case in point on how complicated these situations can get…. Baby is born with both male and female genitalia. The child is medically raised as a male given testosterone through puberty. The kid reaches a point where he/she decides to play soccer on the girls side. Changes her name, reclassifies, etc… remember genetically there isn’t a true determination of gender. From a physical standpoint, this player looks and moves like a male. Should this player now be allowed to compete as a female after benefiting from testosterone injections growing up? The player is a really nice kid and great teammate btw.

Again, I don't know all the answers to the ethical questions on this. And I honestly don't know how I'd personally feel if it happened in a competition one of my kids was part of.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

I think the "agendas" are run by ignoramuses trying to be held as discriminatory or wanting to be viewed that way. It is ridiculous.

We continue to be such a tiny, small sliver of society. It is ridiculous. I guess this is good for the coffee shop and message boards.

If you have a hot dog between your legs, it is straightforward. You play with the boys. Otherwise, play with the girls.

Trust me, I am all about being able to wear a dress, take hormones and understand gender vs sex. Those are different things. I don't know why this is hard to understand, either. Gender is a social construct. Sex is biological. Sex gives you different hormones. Men are more physical. Wahhhhh. I also don't think we should be giving kids hormone injections before 18 or chopping hot dogs off before then, either. Just treat them as humans and move on. Those are life-altering decisions that should not be made by the parent but by the child when they are old enough to understand, possibly even at 21. They don't need to be made at 13.

Fox and idiots are interviewing the crazies of crazy left-wing people and acting like it is everywhere. So now, rural communities, such as Russian State TV, Putin, and Victor Orbiin (they talk about it in speeches and interviews, but I am not joking), are convinced it is happening everywhere in America. Ya'll be nuts.

Title IX has been a good thing for society. It isn't like men have been hurt. Coaches are getting paid 10s of millions. Now, male athletes are getting paid millions in college. Male athletes are getting paid 100s of millions in contracts. Trust me, whiney ass, you are alright.

 

[lawpoke87]

Again, I don't know all the answers to the ethical questions on this. And I honestly don't know how I'd personally feel if it happened in a competition one of my kids was part of.

My daughter competes against this player at least twice a year and I’m still not sure how I feel about it. Just a complex issue

 

[TU_BLA]

My daughter competes against this player at least twice a year and I’m still not sure how I feel about it. Just a complex issue

And you're in a better position to understand and have an opinion. I have a hard time taking a side on mere hypotheticals because there isn't an emotional investment into a hypothetical situation...

I am curious as to how parents and opponents found out about this individual.

 

[TulsaRulzOSUdrools]

My daughter competes against this player at least twice a year and I’m still not sure how I feel about it. Just a complex issue

As a father of a daughter that

Case in point on how complicated these situations can get…. Baby is born with both male and female genitalia. The child is medically raised as a male given testosterone through puberty. The kid reaches a point where he/she decides to play soccer on the girls side. Changes her name, reclassifies, etc… remember genetically there isn’t a true determination of gender. From a physical standpoint, this player looks and moves like a male. Should this player now be allowed to compete as a female after benefiting from testosterone injections growing up? The player is a really nice kid and great teammate btw.

I would say no, unfortunately. Sounds like a slightly complicated issue. I also think this is a one-off just me, though, so I will not get bent out of shape.

But call me back to 13 years, when my daughter is 15 and competing in ECNL against someone such as this, and I am much older and angrier. These genetic mismatches will be everywhere because of these COVID-19 vaccines and the lack of fluoride in the water.

 

[astonmartin708]

Your argument is losing me, it's just all over the place. And please if you don't truly understand Title IX, then stop using it as a scapegoat for whatever you're trying to argue. Title IX isn't only about athletics and unfortunately 75% of individuals only know about it because of its implication in college athletics and not the fact that it actually protects women and their right to seek an education free from bias or prejudice or feeling threatened.

What I’m saying is that the athletics aspect of title 9 has promoted athletics over academics. Kids (girls) from the inner city should not be pushed towards athletics and have their academic options in college limited because of the investment necessary in athletics in terms of time.

 

[aTUfan]

does a guy on girls team count as a male or female under title IX?

 

[aTUfan]

Right but bozos like you don't matter what's on the inside. The DNA makeup (genotype, I know it's a big word but you can look it up) doesn't match the phenotype. XX genotype says female, but this individual has a penis (phenotype male). Sorry that you can't comprehend that this actually happens because things occur in nature that are out of the ordinary.

Again, you can't holler about believing in the science of DNA and genetics and having it be the be all and end all of your argument, and then in the same breath denying vaccine efficacy because RFK, Jr and his brain worm told you it was dangerous (without any actual scientific research studies backing said claim). Or that climate change is not real because oil companies and Republicans who make their money in oil and gas told you not to believe it so they can continue to poison the planet for profit. Or that the leading cause of death among children in the US is gun violence just so you can go and buy a small arsenal of guns to prove your manhood.

nice rant