ECU THREAD
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Any bets Jayden Gardner transfers to a power school and is immediately eligible next season?
We will survive this game. We need the WSU Joiner and not the one we’ve seen the last 3 games. Not sure why he is so hesitant to pull the trigger on the 3 when he’s wide open.
Coaching probably, telling them to feed Igbanu above all else. Kinda defeats the purpose of the motion offense but what do I know...
Sloppy. The last three games the team has played like the preseason 10th place team they were picked to be. I dont know why we are so bad at breaking the press, or inbound plays, or set plays...
It's a win, I hope we can get back to the level we were at four games ago o wr the next few weeks.
It's a win, I hope we can get back to the level we were at four games ago o wr the next few weeks.
Just got back from the game...
Both teams played sloppy on offense...
Both teams at times played sloppy defense...
The refs called a sloppy game equally against both teams...
The coaches could never figure out what the res were and were not going to call for most of the game!
However, a sloppy victory is better than a sloppy loss!
Both teams played sloppy on offense...
Both teams at times played sloppy defense...
The refs called a sloppy game equally against both teams...
The coaches could never figure out what the res were and were not going to call for most of the game!
However, a sloppy victory is better than a sloppy loss!
IDK...between Joiner and Rachal they just seem to be over thinking everything. Joiner passed up a wide open 3 with 5 on the shot clock so he could take a fall away base line jumper that was very contested and ended up being rushed. He passed up 2-3 other wide open 3 opportunities created by good movement and passing. Shots coaches want players to take. 2 of them ended up in TOs and one was the 1st possession where he got into the lane and made the spin move and couldn't hit the little runner, twice. Don't get me wrong, I love the spin move, I love Eli's ability to get to the rim (he still needs to finish), but he has to be confident to take that outside shot for this offense to go. If you want Igbanu to get his touches, Eli, Rachal, Jackson, Korita, Horne, Hill all need to be willing to take the catch and shoot outside shots. That frees Igbanu up for the entry pass and if he has a split second to recognize where the double is coming from, he is either going to beat it or make a nice pass to a cutter or open shooter. When that is happening, teams will need to make a choice...double Igbanu or take your chances you can stop him.
Listen to Haith pregame with Bruce on the radio and you will have no doubt where the hesitation and passing up open shots comes from
Which is weird because the 4 out 1 in offense is predicated on lots of outside shots. If you watch his teams at Miami and Mizzou, the ball into the post was usually only a pass through point to a shooter. Pressey and English feasted in this offense. Granted we don't have anyone close to those two in terms of quality as shooters, you still have to take the shots when presented with them. All of the guys I mentioned are capable enough shooters.
I think Haith's 4 out offense has morphed into one that used to create space for 1 on 1 opportunities rather than open shots. when you put 4 guys outside the line, it opens up space for your big, or for your ballhandler to drive. I think Haith was just really lucky that he had shooters in that season at Missouri, his offense has never really been based on shooting, it's been based on the high ball screen and a PG / CG attacking the basket. Think Jordan Clarkson, Shaq Harrison, Sterlin Taplin. They all drove the ball in his offense very similarly.
I think it's obvious that the team's first offensive option in the past three games as been Igbanu and he has scored a ton because of it. In my experience that kind of focus doesn't come from the players, it comes from the coaching staff. It could have been an off-hand comment or something an entire practice was dedicated too, I don't know. And yes, I am guessing because I am not in the practices.
Shooting is mostly psychological, I have seen some good shooters with odd fundamentals. Herbert Johnson back in the day had a flat shot and Lou Dawkins has a strange release point but was still %49 from the field and 36% from 3 his senior year. You want to go back and feel dejected, look at the shooting numbers on the 93-94 team https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/tulsa/1994.html. THE TEAM shot 47% from the field and 40% from 3.
It's been proven that people will live up to the limits you place on them. Let them loose! Jackson is a disruptor when he just PLAYS THE GAME. Run the offense through athletic cutters like Jackson and Rachel (when he is healthy) and shoot the open jumper while they are cutting so they can rebound misses. Stop with the two foul automatic sit stuff, kids need to grow up playing fundamental basketball in college. In the pros, the one-on-one game is king, but it college it's the team game with fundamentals that wins.
I believe it. Shea, Pooh, Dawkins, & Collier were all outstanding from 3. (Dawkins was 36% on 39 attempts for the season. Collier was 46% on 201 attempts, Shea was 40% on 184 attempts, Pooh was 45% on 106 attempts.
Compare to this year: Rachal 25% Joiner 36%, Horne 34% (on most attempts by far), Korita 34%, Jackson 29% (an improvement of 100% over previous seasons), Hill 23% (lower than Igbanu's 1 of 4, 25%), Jones 35%.
IMO, Joiner, Horne, and Korita should be shooting when in the flow of offense and they are presented with an open 3 pt shot. Horne shot last night. He made them in the 1st half and didn't in the 2nd half. I wasn't mad about the shots simply because they were good shots taken that happened to not go in. Joiner has proven to be effective from 3 as well. While not at the 1994 clip, the distance is also some 28.75 inches (2+ ft) further than 1994. The new 3 pt line is closer to the NBA 3 pt line than it is to the original college 3 pt line (19 ft, 9 inches).
I'm not advocating that Joiner chuck up a 3 every single time. Same for Horne and Korita, but we're almost passing them up to force the ball inside where there is a greater risk for a turnover. Hell, we had 3-4 turnovers on dumb passes trying to force tough entry passes into the post where there was no passing angle. Taking those outside shots when warranted will open those passing lanes and our outside shooters are not terrible.
This + crashing the boards. Rebounding has changed with the line being moved out, so that is something to consider as well.
I don't think he has been really feeling well over those games, but he is not only passing
up open shooting opportunities, he is not passing to open shooters.....
In the short run, i have felt better when Hill is handling the PG duties...He seems to find
a way to get the ball to the open man, and continues to improve on both ends of the
court.....
I'd like to see J$ shoot it from 15' on out at every opportunity. He will get his groove back.
Yeah wasn't the college line the same as the HS line? Chris Barnes would have been a 3pt sharpshooter from there. I think every one of his made shots was 2ft inside the arc
basically the initial 3 pt line in college was 19'9" (top of the key measurement) and arced on around. It moved out a few years ago for both the men and women. This year they pushed the men's back to the current distance. I believe the NBA line is 23'9 (22' on the sides so you can catch the ball inbounds).The NCAA line also comes in just a smidge in the corners for the same reason. You are seeing a ton of OB calls on guys that set their step foot OB and catch the ball before stepping into their shot. But you're right, I believe the HS 3 pt line has remained 19'9" so kids who can really shoot in HS are going to have an adjustment period into college. Looking forward to Phipps going 0-45 to start his college career at OU next season.
The difference between NBA caliber shooters and college caliber shooters is the feel to know exactly where they are and adjust by sight in their motion. It's how guys like Steph Curry, Kemba Walker, et. al. are taking 25-27' shots. Kids in HS and college learned what 19'9" was and shot from memory and their only adjustment was alignment. Remember Pedraj Savovic from Hawai'i? That guy was one of the best catch and shoot guys I've seen in college. He knew he was shooting straight up from 20' every time coming off the curl and screen. He had that uncanny ability to adjust his alignment in the air. Who was the last really effective catch and shoot guy we had? Seems almost all of our 3 point shooters back to Collier were more spot-up shooters.
Savovic's teammate from the extreme NE part of Canada (English?) was also a tough
hombre...A very athletic version of Curran Scott.....That team played very tough BB....
Who was the last C&S TU player? I really liked Dante Swanson...At times he could light
it up....I believe it was his Jr. season that he was near the national lead on 3 pt. %...
Somewhere around 50% at mid-season......
