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Donald Trump Speech at ORU

kcarzoli said:
If Hillary wins in moving to Canada
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You mean to the country that has single payer health care, admits Syrian refugees, has no mortgage interest deduction, and is near the top on lists of most socialistic countries?

My libertarian buddies like to talk about retiring to New Zealand which shares the same characteristics.
 
I'm suspect there are several on this board with Soviet sympathies since their leading candidate Bernie was a Soviet sympathizer
 
URedskin54 said:
I'm suspect there are several on this board with Soviet sympathies since their leading candidate Bernie was a Soviet sympathizer
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Are you people this stupid? Bottom of the barrel stupidity. Bernie advocates for a single payer system, yes, without private insurance, shows you how to pay for it, and he's a Soviet sympathizer? I have that right? That's called ignorance. The US is the only advanced society without health care for all, and now Bernie is a Communist, the dumb get dumber.
 
eastcane said:
Are you people this stupid? Bottom of the barrel stupidity. Bernie advocates for a single payer system, yes, without private insurance, shows you how to pay for it, and he's a Soviet sympathizer? I have that right? That's called ignorance. The US is the only advanced society without health care for all, and now Bernie is a Communist, the dumb get dumber.
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When my wife and I first started dating she had free healthcare through the Indians. It was awful. I have a friend who is a business owner in Canada, he purchases health insurance through the US and bring his entire family over for their healthcare needs.

A universal healthcare is great if you're a lazy bum who want everyone else to do everything for you.
 
jesterondirt said:
When my wife and I first started dating she had free healthcare through the Indians. It was awful. I have a friend who is a business owner in Canada, he purchases health insurance through the US and bring his entire family over for their healthcare needs.

A universal healthcare is great if you're a lazy bum who want everyone else to do everything for you.
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Sure, that's why all the major advanced industrial countries have it, because they want to make sure all the lazy bums have insurance. Not much between the ears.
 
lawpoke87 said:
This has to be the worst group of candidates to ever run for President....especially for moderates.

Trump has been discussed.

Cruz is supposedly a brilliant individual. However, his views are extreme even for the right wing of the Republican Party. He also looks like a vampire but that's for another thread.

Bernie is a socialist who is proposing $18T in new spending over the next 10 years. He's added taxes amount to only an additional $6T over that same period. Just for grins let's remember we no have a national debt of $20T and have average an annual deficit of over $1T over the last 8 years. Who wants to gets out fiscal house in order when you can spend an additional $18T? Crazy town.

Hilldog is likely the most qualified candidate. She is also the least trusted and continues to flounder with her own scandals. She says what she thinks plays the best irregardless of whether it's true. Have we ever had a party front runner who was under an active federal investigation? No idea why people still support her at this point other than being low information voters and following the establishment line. While I believe Bernie's spending proposal to be reckless considering our current financial situation he is at least honest and sincere in his beliefs. I don't think anyone can make those arguments for Hill.

Anyway, four candidates....four less then desirable options.
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Most qualified? What has she actually accomplished besides running interference for a rapist.
 
I live in Washington State so that some Canadians buy US health care to skip the queue is not news here. The wealthy will always have access to whatever health care they need when they want it. In a democracy the overall good should be a key consideration. As it is now, we spend about 2X to cover a portion of our population what other countries spend to cover 100% of theirs. That's simply wasteful. During the Bush Administration, pro-business Harvard Business School study estimated that the US wastes $200B a year on duplicative marketing, admin, and healthcare insurance company profits. That's a lot of dough even now. It's not just the poor (or as you might put it the "lazy bums") who are victimized, we all are. For example, a severe medical issue is still a leading cause of bankruptcies even among those with health insurance.

Obamacare is better than what we had: we cover more people for more things, but it's still a product of a Congress dependent on contributions from the healthcare lobby which spent well over $600M in lobbying for it and $100M to lobby against elements of it. Result? Heath care stocks have all zoomed. The $100M went to the Chamber of Commerce to lobby against Obamacare because of the requirement to spend 80% of premiums on providing services as opposed to admin. marketing and profits. Unfortunately improving Obamacare or single payer are anathema to the healthcare industry and therefore will go no where in Congress.

BTW those other countries who spend less to cover more have better overall outcomes in terms of life expectancy, infant mortality and a wide range of healthcare metrics.

BTW there are different single payer systems that work well in other countries. At the risk of repeating myself once again, T.R. Reid's The Healing of America is an easy to read tour of how 4 other countries do it and the strengths and weaknesses of each.
 
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East is so angry I suspect he might be a closet trump voter
 
I have yet to see a healthcare plan that didn't have a maximum out of pocket expense. So maybe I am wrong. Maybe others don't have an option to take a set amount out of their paycheck and put away for medical out of pocket expenses. I guess it's possible its nobody's fault. Welcome to 2016 America, zero accountability.
 
Sort of a poor, lazy, excuse for supporting an expensive, wasteful system that fails in comparison to other systems which provide better outcomes, cover more people, and cost far less. My guess is that few on this board know anything about how other countries do it, and because of an innate bias would prefer just to blame the poor. Even so, you're still paying a lot more for your healthcare than you would elsewhere.
 
I don't disagree that it's cheaper, but many, many people have free health insurance in Oklahoma and still choose to buy health insurance. Just cause its cheap or free doesn't mean it's good. Not everyone takes the bus to work.
 
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I have no problem with helping those that can't afford it recieve better care and insurance, but not everybody has to be affected by it. Carson has an excellent plan that would benefit everyone.
 
I find it interesting that HRC a year ago was the candidate in waiting. Now she is only liked by 35-40% of democrats.
 
Free health Insurance?

It's not free. Someone has to pay the premium; the policy holder may pay a portion but others then pay more for their HI or Taxpayers.
 
I can tell you exactly who is now paying for those now getting free and subsidied health care via Obamacare. Small business owners and their employees. I've detailed how our group plan was eliminated by the Act and premiums have almost doubled over the last two years. Pretty tough on small businesses and their employees who are now struggling to pay for healthcare for their families.
 
It might be worth seeing how successful systems work before deciding that we should either stick with the pre-Obamacare or Obamacare approaches are our own only options. I'm out of this conversation until someone takes off the blinders and looks at what works elsewhere.

As for Carson, I've been to his site and frankly don't see a plan so much as a set of aspirations. Maybe someone can explain it to me.
 
Where is Pat Paulsen when you need him...

"Pat Paulsen not running for President and if elected I will not serve"!
 
WATU2 said:
It might be worth seeing how successful systems work before deciding that we should either stick with the pre-Obamacare or Obamacare approaches are our own only options. I'm out of this conversation until someone takes off the blinders and looks at what works elsewhere.

As for Carson, I've been to his site and frankly don't see a plan so much as a set of aspirations. Maybe someone can explain it to me.
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Since I've always been for single payer I guess I'm out too. What the insurance industries sold to the Dems is trash with the exception of elimination of the prior condition restrictions the only good thing I see coming from it. The rest is not what we were told or promised. Costs for small business and their employees have skyrocketed due to no cost controls and eliminating of our group plans.
 
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We have a MANDATE for the 45,000,000 uninsured to sign up for HI under the ACA or else.

What are the numbers now? 12,000,000 have used the aca. Of that number, over 50%, already had HI.

So we still have 40,000,000 people who do not want to be responsible and pay for their own HI.


Single payer won't fix this


Once a deadbeat, always a deadbeat.
 
Tired and true to the Fox News generalizations with verbatim delivery. Embodiment of the Trump campaign to a T. I don't buy for a minute that you don't support Trump, no matter how you doth protest...
 
Health care is like no other industry imo. Having a profit driven service when people can't price shop for said service is problematic. Add to that the fact the highly technical aspect of the industry and I fail to understand the logic in a for profit system. Keep in mind I am a small unobtrusive government guy. However, health care is the exception for me. When health insurance for a family of four runs well over $1000 a month there is a problem. Health care is unique. Single payer won't fix all those issues but looking around the globe it shoukd bring costs down for a struggling and shrinking middle class.
 
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