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2018 Player Discussion Thread: The Freshmen

Jackson and Joiner's combined line will look most like which former Tulsa guard?

  • A: 31.2mpg, 16.8ppg, 6.5rpg, 3.5apg, 1.8spg, 0.3bpg, 2.5topg, 44.6% 2PT, 40.8% 3PT, 74.8% FT

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • B: 29.4mpg, 12.0ppg, 5.9rpg, 2.0apg, 1.0spg, 0.2bpg, 2.3topg, 51.8% 2PT, 27.7% 3PT, 68.1% FT

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • C: 26.5mpg, 9.6ppg, 2.0rpg, 2.6apg, 1.1spg, 0.0bpg, 1.9topg, 46.7% 2PT, 33.8% 3PT, 85.2% FT

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D: 25.9mpg, 9.9ppg, 5.0rpg, 1.5apg, 1.1spg, 0.8bpg, 2.2topg, 42.1% 2PT, 39.2% 3PT, 75.9% FT

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • E: 24.9mpg, 11.5ppg, 2.1rpg, 1.9apg, 0.7spg, 0.1bpg, 2.9topg, 48.7% 2PT, 30.3% 3PT, 79.3% FT

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • F: 23.8mpg, 8.5ppg, 2.1rpg, 2.0apg, 0.6spg, 0.1bpg, 2.0topg, 46.0% 2PT, 37.2% 3PT, 71.3% FT

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • G: 14.5mpg, 5.5ppg, 1.2rpg, 1.0apg, 1.1spg, 0.2bpg, 0.6topg, 54.1% 2PT, 34.8% 3PT, 83.9% FT

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13

ctt8410

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Freshman G Elijah Joiner and Darien Jackson

Most projection systems ignore high school recruits outside of the top 50 because a) they're so hard to project and b) so few of them make an immediate impact. But anyone can tell you what Junior Etou will do this year. He's 23* years old and has played 90 career games. The fun part is speculating on the new guys. So let's give it a shot.

For other players, I used their career stats as a baseline and ran a regression based on the median career path of closest historical comps. That obviously doesn't work for the freshmen because they have no career stats, so instead I used the average TU freshman guard as a baseline and adjusted based on historical comps in the recruiting rankings. The problem here is that there's no objective way to separate Jackson and Joiner from each other. They both posted similar stats against comparable competition in high school and were both ranked similarly in recruiting rankings. So instead of posting the same thing twice, I just created a combined line for both of them.

2018 proj.: 22.4mpg, 7.3ppg, 3.1rpg, 1.5apg, 0.8spg, 0.2bpg, 1.6topg, 48.9% 2PT, 31.3% 3PT, 69.5% FT

But if you think that's too pessimistic, I've also added a poll of former TU freshman guards who played significant minutes.

So there you go. Those are my projections for the 11 eligible scholarship players this year. Next I'll try to mash everything together for a team projection.
 
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Nothing on Corey Haith?

Joiner is starting to remind me of young Greg Harrington, who made an impact right away. I don’t have an analog to Jackson yet.
 
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Nothing on Corey Haith?

Joiner is starting to remind me of young Greg Harrington, who made an impact right away. I don’t have an analog to Jackson yet.
Jackson reminds me (athletically) of Shaq Harrison.
 
Joiner is starting to remind me of young Greg Harrington, who made an impact
right away. I don’t have an analog to Jackson yet.
Good comp....Early contributor as a freshman, ball handling and intuits to have
PG skills, and he can shoot it from the Arc....Greg had the little floater from
eight or ten feet, while Joiner probably drives it on to the rim.....He may be a
little more physical than Greg was.....

The combined line that ctt calculated seems about right....I hope the 3 point
shooting %s turn out a little better than that....

The only major problem I see with the way this team is coming together is
the ability to defend the post.....Most of the other positions are well manned
with reasonably good depth.....

It looks like all four newcomers will make a contribution to the team....Last
year's class of 9 or 10 seemed more uncertain, and that's about how they
turned out....

Aside:
I'm surprised that Greg only had a 1.0 A/TO ratio, considering that he is the
all time total assist leader at TU.....I really hope I'm not reading those stats
correctly.......
 
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I liked Steve Harris' freshman year. But no three point line then. Joiner reminds me some of Dante. Jackson is more like Harrison.
 
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