I am talking about both programs when i say we are not Burns era bad. We hsd a .500 season, and promise of maybe another leap on the bssketball court to an 18 or 20 win season. But everyone is still complaining like the sky is falling.
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I am talking about both programs when i say we are not Burns era bad. We hsd a .500 season, and promise of maybe another leap on the bssketball court to an 18 or 20 win season. But everyone is still complaining like the sky is falling.
I’m not cheering for Temple, but I am cheering for South Carolina as they are beating ou 21-0 in the first ! There ya go boomers , you are playing against a elite competition just like you wanted 😂
I am watching AC Milan. Trying to hold on for a win despite a man down most of the game.
I mean there is no excuse for us to be as bad as we are by any means , but to think they are this piss poor and have all of the NIL anyone could want
Misery loves company. And we've got the entire state today.
That’s one positive , at least they will be pissed at their own situation and won’t have to hear about just us
I disagree. When Burns was TU’s football coach our basketball program was making NCAA tournament trips. We were selling out the Reynolds Center. I do like Konkol & hope he can eventually get us there. But currently, we are not close to that in basketball.
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Once again, we are not Burns level bad in both programs, just because we don't have a program succeeding at a certain level in either sport doesn't make us burns level bad.. You are not talking about the same thing as I am.
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Burns was so bad he never coached as a HC in college again. Wilson was given a second chance by us so he isn't Burns level bad. But we may be Tulsa HC hiring level stupid...
I did an edit in my head, and did not finish it on the post. Sorry. Don't think this changed what you posted in response though. But reread the post you responded to below.
Not referring to this post, but the one I made above about having a good scrimmage and you laughed. You may be aware of this but just in case you aren't, we are scrimmaging a D1 team in basketball today.
Once again, we’re not Burns level bad in football, but we’re still very bad. We ARE the worst combined level of football & basketball I can remember over the last 40+ years.
TU usually has at least one of the 2 sports at a decent competition level at a given year(s). When Burns coached football, we were NCAA tournament caliber in basketball. We were selling out the Reynolds Center. They were reseating the Reynolds Center every few years.
As much as I like Konkol & hope he will eventually bring back glory days to TU basketball, we are not even close today. Attendance is horrible, our team is AAC preseason #10 in a one or two bid league. I’ve had season tickets in both sports for decades. I have experienced good & bad eras.
Apathy in both football and basketball is high. This is the lowest combined excitement for TU football/basketball I can remember.
TU usually has at least one of the 2 sports at a decent competition level at a given year(s). When Burns coached football, we were NCAA tournament caliber in basketball. We were selling out the Reynolds Center. They were reseating the Reynolds Center every few years.
As much as I like Konkol & hope he will eventually bring back glory days to TU basketball, we are not even close today. Attendance is horrible, our team is AAC preseason #10 in a one or two bid league. I’ve had season tickets in both sports for decades. I have experienced good & bad eras.
Apathy in both football and basketball is high. This is the lowest combined excitement for TU football/basketball I can remember.
Apathy definitely high. This is the truly dangerous thing.
Fan apathy is the biggest risk. The biggest enemy.
On what to do in one sport, you cannot base your analysis of two sports states of being. That much should be obvious. Read this post over again. \/
You can't attack one or both programs early(after 2 or 3 seasons of a new coach) because the fans are apathetic over the state of college sports and the state of the programs as a joint venture.(basketball & football) Just because the sports are doing something negative for one of the few times in the history of TU sports, is no reason to throw out being analytical.
You have to be a little more analytical and a lot less emotional in times like these. You also have to give the coaches a little more latitude for operating in a NIL environment with a small amount or no amount of NIL, to work with. You may end up with a coach who does no better because of lack of NIL. It may not provide any judgement on the abilities of the two coaches before and after the change in regimes, caused by their coaching ability. For instance, you might fire Wilson and hire a new coach and they both fail because of NIL, when Wilson was a bad coach and the new coach was a good coach, or vice versa.
You have a lot more variables to contend with now, and hiring and firing early with equal decision making processes may hire a coach who was no better than the last one,(or worse than the last one) because it was a knee jerk reaction to early performance of a coach who wasn't provided the proper amount of time to resurrect the program because of newly created pressure in the industry.(nil, transfers, etc)
I'm not saying we give them 8 or 9 years like we did with Frank or Monty, but you don't necessarily go in the opposite direction, and fire them really early in their tenure here.(after 2 or 3 years here) Being very measured in your decision making and considering leaving them in the position for 4 or 5 years might be the more valuable decision, then canning them after 2 or 3 years.
Wilson went with a choice that was probably a good one in a very precarious environment, to go after better freshman, and let them develop. But we are not allowing them to even get to their sophomore year, before we want to can Wilson. That's really not fair to Wilson & staff, to the players, and probably not to the TU program, to give this philosophy no time to bear fruit. Yes, time is limited but you can't half do a philosophy and have it give anything but poor results, just beause the industry is moving quickly. We are caught between a rock and a hard spot, but that doesn't mean acting rationally is the improper thing to do. And rational rarely involves early decisons.
I understand your thought process on why to give Wilson more time. Even though high school recruiting has become easier, due to power conference schools focusing on the transfer portal, Wilson’s hs recruiting has been very good. I disagree with you on Wilson because I don’t believe he knows how to build a winning mentality into a team. I haven’t seen week over week improvement in either season. His teams are also getting blown out by too much, too often. I will be very happy to eat crow if he turns TU football back into a conference championship contender/winner again.
Ironically, I still think Konkol CAN turn TU basketball around. There was year over year improvement. Although losing his star player to the portal will make this season very interesting. I know there’s many who would disagree with me on Konkol’s abilities.
But I actually think you & I are talking apples & oranges. I’m answering why panic & many other posters (including many who have given up posting on here) are so disillusioned, discouraged, or apathetic about TU sports. Neither of our 2 major sports have given us a real reason to be really excited for a few seasons now. Usually, at least one of our sports is either winning championships or legitimately competing for a conference championship. We could always say “well at least we have football “ or “well at least we have basketball “. Unfortunately, it’s been too long of a drought in both sports.
Ironically, I still think Konkol CAN turn TU basketball around. There was year over year improvement. Although losing his star player to the portal will make this season very interesting. I know there’s many who would disagree with me on Konkol’s abilities.
But I actually think you & I are talking apples & oranges. I’m answering why panic & many other posters (including many who have given up posting on here) are so disillusioned, discouraged, or apathetic about TU sports. Neither of our 2 major sports have given us a real reason to be really excited for a few seasons now. Usually, at least one of our sports is either winning championships or legitimately competing for a conference championship. We could always say “well at least we have football “ or “well at least we have basketball “. Unfortunately, it’s been too long of a drought in both sports.
I didn't exactly know what you were responding to, so I gave my overall impression of the situation in general.
The offensive line is probably the worst in college football.
Your comment isn't fair to say at all.
And even when things went well lately, you knew it was a fluke. Nobody believed Monty or Frank would give us sustained success. A flash in the pan every several years but not consistent success.
It sucks we are so bad this year, given the state of the other programs. OU is headed towards Nebraska irrelevance while bilking Norman's citizens for 100s of millions of dollars and the benefit of some Texans REIT and private equity investors.
Joe C will walk off into the sunset with a giant retirement, while their program takes on a minimum 20 million dollar expense with just paying athletes, and they start sucking more. You can't ride softball to victory.
Joe C will walk off into the sunset with a giant retirement, while their program takes on a minimum 20 million dollar expense with just paying athletes, and they start sucking more. You can't ride softball to victory.
Now days, it seem to me anyway, that TU developing Freshman is just preparing them to transfer to a larger/NIL program. Doesnt seem like a viable process to success for TU.
I didnt go to Tulsa or have any family that did. I just grew up there and wanted to root for an underdog/small school. I no longer live in Tulsa and have quit trying to make it to games. I have certainly moved into the apathetic group. I really want to be excited again but there doesnt seem much to look forward to.
I didnt go to Tulsa or have any family that did. I just grew up there and wanted to root for an underdog/small school. I no longer live in Tulsa and have quit trying to make it to games. I have certainly moved into the apathetic group. I really want to be excited again but there doesnt seem much to look forward to.
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With the new right coach there will be...money is flowing through the school and athletic department now
It'll be interesting how things shake out as traditional powerhouses with less $$ like OU and Alabama have to compete with schools with much more $$ available.
If we’re going to be considered a farm system, then we need to strategizing to that. We may never be Barcelona, but maybe we could morph ourselves into an Ajax, PSV, Schalke, or Lyon.
And OU/Texas' move started all this conference rearranging. OU may soon regret that first move except on the financial side of it with the increased TV deal. It would be interesting to analyze the financial side of it from a fans at games, buying merchandise, etc., versus the tv deal inreases. Studying that with Nebraska as a model would be ideal.
