lawpoke87 said:

I don’t blame Clinton for the Tech bubble or resulting recession. Lots of overly bullish people pouring billions into new technologies causing valuations and expansion which weren’t supported by market fundamentals. Going by memory but wasn’t it Alan Greenspan who went on for months warning about the impending Tech crash. No one listened of course until the bottom fell out. The recession of course followed.

Spending cuts were largely the resulting peace dividend from the break up of the USSR under Reagan. The boogie man was now gone defense cuts were justified.

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astonmartin708 said:

I think many of the modifications Clinton made to the tax code as well as cuts made the surplus possible. Without those you wouldn’t have seen it. And the tech bubble likely would have been stifled by high interest rates (that was the entire reason Clinton went after the changes in the first place)

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Gmoney4WW said:

I assume you will attack Trump for this if it has not been done by Biden, and Trump is reelected and not attending to it either. Because that is what I assume will happen.


I would take Clinton in a New York Minute(with policy success that he had then) over Biden & Trump. I'd take any president we've had since Reagan with the policy success they had over Trump & Biden. I believe Biden would have been a better president before Trump/before pressure he has received from the extreme left of his party. Neither one of them(Trump and Biden) have been strong enough leaders to take us through covid the way we needed to be. But Trump and his followers made that job much more difficult for anyone following Trump.

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lawpoke87 said:

As you stated in your example, any significant action must be spearheaded by the President. Biden must know the dire consequences were in as far as debt service going forward (well…I’m sure he has no clue but someone in his inner circle does). Only crickets. He must start talking about this now. Time is not on our side.

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lawpoke87 said:

Stop. You know full well that surplus was created due to the tech bubble. Which promptly burst as Clinton was leaving office resulting in an economic crisis. I really liked Clinton btw. Would love to have that type of centrist President today. He did a lot of good things.

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lawpoke87 said:

As you stated in your example, any significant action must be spearheaded by the President. Biden must know the dire consequences were in as far as debt service going forward (well…I’m sure he has no clue but someone in his inner circle does). Only crickets. He must start talking about this now. Time is not on our side.

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lawpoke87 said:

Stop. You know full well that surplus was created due to the tech bubble. Which promptly burst as Clinton was leaving office resulting in an economic crisis. I really liked Clinton btw. Would love to have that type of centrist President today. He did a lot of good things.

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watu05 said:

Clinton left Dubya with a budget surplus and Bush's immediate reaction was a tax reduction to "give the surplus back to the voters". IOW a federal budget surplus as an actually bad and had to be corrected by lowering taxes.

Got a problem, lower taxes. Then complain about budget deficits. Wash, rinse, repeat.

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astonmartin708 said:

Eye roll.

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astonmartin708 said:

Anyone care to recall what happened the last time someone actually decided to tackle the deficit?

In 93 Clinton and his economic advisers combined tax increases and spending cuts to put a dent in debt leftover from the Reagan / Bush spending sprees. 0 Republicans voted for the bill which relied on Gore’s tiebreaker in the Senate to pass. Then in the following midterms and general election cycles the Republicans in Congress used the gripes about tax hikes and the fact that the deficit reduction was had a delayed function (not recoverable until after Clinton’s first term) to skewer the congressional leadership and take back control of Congress… only to lower the Capital Gains tax (and government revenues) a few years later and install the Bush 2.0 tax cuts (spending) a few years after that.

Maybe it should be Republicans’ turn to raise taxes + revenues and cut entitlements. I’m sure it will turn out incredibly well for them. No landmines to step on whatsoever.

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URedskin54 said:

Radicals who are now people of influence and have hollowed out the left's formerly prestigious institutions, continue to wear those institutions' dead carcasses to wield power and view everything through power dynamics. Their messaging is transmitted through the hard left ecosystem fairly efficiently. It doesn't matter that anti-colonialism is just picking an arbitrary point in time and saying "the second to last person to steal the land has a right to it." There is no good / bad side to this group outside of which set of winners they think needs to be taken down a peg at any particular moment.

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lawpoke87 said:

Gallup disagrees. Again….why?

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- After a decade in which Democrats have shown increasing affinity toward the Palestinians, their sympathies in the Middle East now lie more with the Palestinians than the Israelis, 49% versus 38%.

Today’s attitudes reflect an 11-percentage-point increase over the past year in Democrats’ sympathy with the Palestinians. At the same time, the percentages sympathizing more with the Israelis (38%) and those not favoring a side (13%) have dipped to new lows.

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lawpoke87 said:

Gallup disagrees. Again….why?

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- After a decade in which Democrats have shown increasing affinity toward the Palestinians, their sympathies in the Middle East now lie more with the Palestinians than the Israelis, 49% versus 38%.

Today’s attitudes reflect an 11-percentage-point increase over the past year in Democrats’ sympathy with the Palestinians. At the same time, the percentages sympathizing more with the Israelis (38%) and those not favoring a side (13%) have dipped to new lows.

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