When does the hammer come down on SMU?
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They have had a tremendous problem with academic eligibility for their recruits. Along with UTEP they seem to walk on the edge there a lot. Some make it in, others don't. Some are ineligible during the year. Maybe some don't go to class? Not a pretty sight for a good academic school like SMU, but the big boosters (still alive from the NCAA death penalty years) want wins more than anything else.....
It's funny how a move here or there changed the fates of SMU and TCU. Certainly the death penalty aftermath and the perpetual sucking left SMU out of the running for a Big XII spot when that whole thing went down. SMU stuck around the WAC and then C-USA along with us while TCU shopped itself to C-USA at a time when TCU athletics was not great. The football team was only so-so and basketball was fun to watch but they weren't very good. Then when the good schools in C-USA left, TCU shopped itself to MWC where it took off. And then the earth shook and TCU landed in the Big XII because they were simply the best of the rest when it came down to finding a 10th team.
SMU likes to consider itself a big fish...its not. Regaining the pre- death penalty glory days is not going to happen. They may be able to field good teams but they are not ever going to be a big fish in the pond again.
SMU likes to consider itself a big fish...its not. Regaining the pre- death penalty glory days is not going to happen. They may be able to field good teams but they are not ever going to be a big fish in the pond again.
Yah, while I dislike the noveau riche at SMU as much as the rest of you, this thread is pretty turrible. The NCAA may do something eventually, but it's sort of lame to complain about. I was at the game Sunday and they've done some impressive things with their program that we should try to emulate or match, cheating aside. But there's no allegation that they cheated on Moreira or Kennedy and those two beat our butts.
We're not as Nuevo or Riche as you might imagine. Over 70% of our students are on some form of financial assistance. We shouldn't be punished for the shortcomings and academic fraud of the DISD. Unfortunately for the country big urban schools can't deliver basic education. Although as we are a private school, and not an NCCA 'cash cow' like UT or OU, Coach Brown will probably have to vacate his NBA championship ring!
Just like the car dealer when asked by the NCAA in 1983, "But don't you want to see the files of A&M and UT players? There's a lot more files on those schools than SMU."
Just like the car dealer when asked by the NCAA in 1983, "But don't you want to see the files of A&M and UT players? There's a lot more files on those schools than SMU."
Lol at the guy thinking we're going to get a Syracuse like penalty. Not even close.
You guys should just worry about the bubble for now. It's better for the conference if you can figure out a way to get in.
You guys should just worry about the bubble for now. It's better for the conference if you can figure out a way to get in.
Enjoy your fake conference championship while you can. Maybe you'll get to dust off the trophy at least once before you have to send it back.
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Huh, gotta disagree on both counts. The SMU situation will be resolved this summer. The Syracuse issue took so long because the investigation covered a period of 10+ years. SMU's punishment will not be close to Syracuse which displayed a program that was truly showing a lack of institutional control. The NCAA has concluded their findings on SMU, which coincided with Keith Frazier being sidelined. I would imagine SMU will have to vacate all games Frazier participated in, plus a slap on the wrist that impacts recruiting, maybe restrictions on how much off campus vists Assistants can do.
I laugh at how Pony fan likes to place the blame on the corrput DISD. It takes two to break NCAA rules/regulations. The dirty Asst. who conveniently was put on personal leave, went well below board to orchestrate the phony eligibility of Keith Frazier. Apparently things did not go so well with the scheme to get Mudiay into SMU.
I also laugh at the national pundents who pat SMU on the back for overcoming so much adversity. LMAO, SMU's problems were self inflicted, no one should be patting them on the back for overcoming the loss of players due to their own dirtiness.
I think the commitment SMU has made to basketball is tremendous, new look Moody is great, the atmosphere is unlike anything we ever saw in the old WAC/C-USA days. However, the nature at which Brown tries to win at all cost is despicable. Brown doesn't care about supplanting a legacy at SMU, he doesn't have much time left on the sideline, he's a quick trick, once Larry is gone, SMU will be hard pressed to maintain recruiting 4-star prospects under Jankovich. Hell, Jankovich brought Moore from Illinois State, and Brown brought Kennedy from Villanova, no recruiting battles required.
Brown may have a sufficent buffer between him and his dirty Asst., but he is ultimately responsible for his Asst's, and every Head basketball coach keeps close tabs on the recruiting, especially the highly touted recruits that require the Head Coach to become heavily vested. With only 13 Scholly's, every recruit in very important, and the 4/5-star Keith Frazier's and Shake Milton's are also wooed by the Head Coach, not just the Asst's.
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This post was edited on 3/12 1:34 PM by texcane1982
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Just like OU under Kelvin Sampson and his dirty assistant paying and funneling money to Tiny Gallon and Pipsqueak Guard, SMU is going to feel the NCAA. It may not be of Syracusian proportions, but it will be more than a slap on the wrist...especially noting the history and even Brown's history (he left KU on probation). There may not be anything in writing but Brown absolutely knew the assistant was helping Prime Prep doctor transcripts. If anything comes out that he even nodded his head to tacitly OK it...down comes the Hammer. You'll be pulling up the clip of Rob Schneider in The Waterboy where he says "Oh no! We suck again"
Frazier had a grade changed in high school physics from fail to pass by a teaching assistant. Pretty simple imo:
Did SMU pay the TA to change the grade? Is so then punishment will be severe
Did SMU know the grade was improperly changed? Is so then some punishment but not as severe as the 'Cuse.
Was grade change by the TA because he was friends of Frazier or his family and SMU didn't know? Is so then no punishment.
Interesting to see if any of these players roll over on Brown and Co. assuming SMU was involved with the TA.
Did SMU pay the TA to change the grade? Is so then punishment will be severe
Did SMU know the grade was improperly changed? Is so then some punishment but not as severe as the 'Cuse.
Was grade change by the TA because he was friends of Frazier or his family and SMU didn't know? Is so then no punishment.
Interesting to see if any of these players roll over on Brown and Co. assuming SMU was involved with the TA.
Rather ironic that Frazier had offers from:
Arizona
Arkansas
Baylor
Florida
Florida State
Kansas
Memphis
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas A&M
UCLA
........ did Frazier not sign with one of the above schools (some of which are basketball powerhouses) because they did not have the connection to get him his High School diploma?
I wonder how he did on the rest of his required courses and what he scored on his ACT or SAT?
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But there's too much coincidence that Frazier's issue came down right when the assistant "resigned" and not more than 6 months after the Mudiay situation at Prime Prep. To me there's too much just in that to say they all happened independently of one another.
What happens if we find out that in exchange of funneling players to schools, boosters from said schools made generous "donations" to help keep Prime Prep afloat and running?
Your scenario is a completely different issue and would be MAJOR in nature. I would imagine the NCAA has looked under that bridge, and to my knowledge nothing has leaked regarding SMU Boosters and Prime Prep. There is no telling what is in the investigation report that goes beyond the Frazier issue. One thing is certain, you don't want the NCAA on your campus for any reason, they will start finding needles in your haystack and will certainly find minor indiscretions such as improper meals, improper long distance phone calls, etc., things they would normally not launch an investigations over.
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This post was edited on 3/12 2:35 PM by texcane1982
I was wondering of his situation goes beyond one course and is more like a Michael Rose issue.
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Michael Rose?
My comment about boosters and Prime Prep was more general and not specific to SMU although with the Mudiay issue, certainly includes SMU. By all accounts, Prime Prep was nothing more than an AAU athletic factory so there's probably a lot of schools doing their diligence right now trying to make sure they kept enough distance from Prime Prep. For a school that was only around for 3 years, there is a ton of negative press out there about it.
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