Trump predicts riots if he is denied nomination.

[TUMe]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN0WI1IF

I'm not sure if "predicts" shouldn't be replace with "threatens." The rules are simple, you get 50 percent of the delegates or there is a second ballot. It has happened a number of time before without violence.

 

[TUBballJunkie]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

 

[URedskin54]

I hope it doesn't happen, but odds of an assassination attempt between now and Cleveland? Things are getting crazy and it's just getting started. There's already people who think of him as an American Hitler.

 

[URedskin54]

Every candidate gets compared to Hitler at some point and it's always ridiculous, including with Trump. But with him it's a lot easier to draw parallels, particularly since his style is so similar to the European right.

 

[astonmartin708]

I think everyone who voted for trump should have to watch Judgement at Nuremberg

 

[TUMe]

I don't like Trump. I would never vote for him . But the Hitler stuff is ridiculous are you saying that he will burn down Congress and blame it on the socialists that we will have to Kristallnacht when enemies are being killed and businesses destroyed and that 6 million of Trump's opponents will be put to death . Let's keep it reasonable he's a lousy jerk he would make an awful president but it's not a Hitler.

 

[TU 1978]

Maybe he'll get struck by lightning like his tower in Chicago did.

 

[astonmartin708]

I don't like Trump. I would never vote for him . But the Hitler stuff is ridiculous are you saying that he will burn down Congress and blame it on the socialists that we will have to Kristallnacht when enemies are being killed and businesses destroyed and that 6 million of Trump's opponents will be put to death . Let's keep it reasonable he's a lousy jerk he would make an awful president but it's not a Hitler.

I'm not quite sure. But I know that the Germans didn't originally intend to kill 6 million Jews. They were swept up in nationalistic hateful rhetoric, the same way people are influenced by trump's speaking today. I don't think Trump has the true hatred for minorities that Hitler did, but some of his followers certainly do.

They didn't dispose of Jews because they didn't like the Jewish religion, they disposed of them because they were (in hitters opinion) detrimental to German society, and the German economy. They were holding back Germany becoming the "Third Reich". Trump has said the same things about Mexicans. They're holding America back from being "great again"

I know it's a slippery slope Falacy to say a man like trump will continue down that hateful path, but the rhetoric he puts out makes me uncomfortable.

 

[TUMe]

You need to brush up on your history. There is almost no comparison to the current United States and Germany at the time of the rise of Hitler.

 

[astonmartin708]

You need to brush up on your history. There is almost no comparison to the current United States and Germany at the time of the rise of Hitler.

Depressed, stagnant economies that are so because of the economies of other superpowers (USA in the 30's, China in the 2010's)

Racial tensions with minorities because of the economic tensions.

A return to nationalism brought on by the far-right.

Huge political divides between the working class and the liberal idealists.

A yearning for the return to former national glory stripped by the powers of other nations (the west in the 30's, the east in the 2010's)

Blatant militaristic threats and a refusal of international cooperation.

There's definite similarities.

Are we Germany circa 1930 yet? Not quite, but we're not too far away.

 

[TUMe]

Absolutely not! Not even close. This may be long.

Germany 1930: No history of democracy before 1918 and the Weimar Republic was hated. More on that later. Kaisers [compare to Czars/Caesar] and Konigs [kings] before that.
United States today: 240 years of democracy with individual rights guaranteed.

Germany: Hyperinflation with money almost worthless.
US: Current inflation less than 2%

Germany: Philosophy of Schopenhauer which led to Nietzsche and continued into the idea of the Super Race decades before Hitler.
US: Political theory of the three Toms, Thomas Hobbs, Thomas Paine, and Thomas Jefferson. All the good stuff in the D of I and Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Germany: Prussian tradition of military state.
US: Civil control of military [see Truman versus MacArthur.]

NOW WE GET TO THE BIG STUFF

Germany: Treaty of Versailles with punitive measures. Loss of territory, war reparations to be paid by a financially broke country, military limited and a feeling that the Weimar Republic had settle for peace too easily. The government was hated. That Super Race theory had been around for decades with time to mellow like a sick wine. The Jews had been singled out long before Hitler. Even Einstein had to go to Switzerland to get a decent job. Hopelessness nationwide with nothing to lose. Military under restraints to be not much more than a police force.
US: No foreign occupation except for a short time in the War of 1812. The most powerful military in the world. Some anger among 35% of 30% which is around 10% of the total population. Less than perfect treatment of minorities but improvement during recent decades. Money is the world standard rather than worthless. People grumble about the government but our system is by no means hated. All in all still the leader of the world. Plenty to lose by messing with that and a tradition of people who have never accepted a dictator. We have not been recently humiliated. We haven't lost any wars, we did get tired of some. Tell when we were stripped of our military glory?

In short, even if Trump was as bad a Hitler, which I really doubt, he would have a much harder sell and face total resistance. Ain't gonna happen. Germany in 1930 and the US today are totally different.

Now let's beat him at the Polls and get a better President.

 

[astonmartin708]

I would argue that all a nationalist leader like Hitler needs to dissolve legislative power as Hitler did with the reichstag is a spark. Hitler had that when global economic depression hit (caused by the unforeseen frailty of the U.S. Economy.)

If someone like trump was in office at a time when a country like China had the same crisis occur, and overnight a quarter of the Chinese people were unemployed, and the economy that's propping up ours through investment bonds were to go under, it would do the same thing to us that happened to Germany. Hyper inflation. I don't doubt we would quickly see authoritarian measures taken by trump. Honestly, for a while those authoritarian measures worked in Germany... But we see what the forced surrender of power by any and all opposition led to there.

Both the U.S. And Germany are / were not far removed from (more or less) costly failed military campaigns brought on by acts of terrorism. It's true that we're not paying reparations, but we aren't in a rosy position as far as our national debt goes.

You're right there are certainly differences in instilled cultural belief as far as democracy goes, but it's not like our democracy is functioning at the highest level right now. It's also not as though the people in 1930's Germany had no knowledge of the principles that helped found the U.S. And France.

When disaster happens, people look to whoever is in power to fix things... I'm not sure if a car salesman with a thirst for power would be any better than an artist with a thirst for power.

 

[astonmartin708]

I find it interesting that according to the media, nobody likes trump;
Not Republican or Democrats.

but he just keeps on getting more votes than anyone else.

I'm pretty sure Clinton and Sanders are getting more than Trump simply cause the Republican Party has had 3-4 candidates.

 

[rabidTU]

A favorite movie of mine - thanks astonmartin - (Judgement at Nuremberg) from way back in the early 60's, (1961 I believe). Maximilian Schell deservedly won an Oscar as Jannings defense lawyer. One moment was very thought provoking when Schell quoted Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes supporting the use of sterilization in a case in the state of Virginia - the same way it eventually was to be done in NAZI Germany. He therefore showed we all are capable of atrocities if given the right circumstances.

Are we like them? Well . . . . . . .

So. . . . "where are we" (primarily our leader Obama) now - with the Jews being threatened and attacked in the Holy land? Where is Obama's support for Israel, our most loyal ally - and why his indifference toward Christians being slaughtered, burned alive, beheaded, thrown off buildings, Christian children crucified in the middle east by the "new NAZI's" who call themselves ISIS? Where is he and we as well?

 

[astonmartin708]

I don't think ISIS is a new Nazi movement. They're the same fundamentalist wing of Islam that has been in existence for centuries. The power vacuum that Bush's foray into the Middle East created just let them expand without resistance.

I'm just worried about the fundamentalist wing in our own country. There's undertones of a seething anger from some of the Republican Party these days. Anger at minorities, anger at any philosophical opposition, anger at the government. Hopefully the next president can be inclusive instead of divisive.

 

[TUMe]

I Hopefully the next president can be inclusive instead of divisive.

Then it won't be Trump or Clinton.

 

[astonmartin708]

Then it won't be Trump or Clinton.

I think Kasich might be the only moderate running

 

[rabidTU]

A liberal friend of mine and I were talking about the race and he thinks Trump will win even though he'll vote democratic (Hillary) of course. His reasoning was the new voters Trump is bringing in. And he also said i was doing the wrong thing by (probably) not voting since i dislike all the remaining candidates who can win - Hillary, Bernie, Trump and Kasich (although I could vote for Cruz if I had to). He said he knew of several Democratic friends who were going to vote for Trump because they want things shaken and stirred in DC. People are angry - both parties -with Obamacare, the political status quo, dishonesty between what they say and then do, a willingness to crawl in the mud, the national debt, terrorism, America being trashed at every turn in spite of us trying to help out both friend and foe everywhere on the planet.

Obama has divided us into racial, ethnic, gender groups and blames everyone else when things go wrong. But I just can't see a good result from the crazy politics. Will i vote? Probably not unless its Third Party. But if somehow a good acceptable candidate emerges from the rubble - well . . . . . . maybe!