This is the Republican Party

[Gmoney4WW]

Showing your shoulders. LMAO. Any elected body should not need a dress code. If you dress in poor class it should be reflected in your ability to be elected.

Let’s just make all of the female representatives wear Burkas makes about as much sense.

Yeah that's why there are no corporate dress codes. You getting all up in arms about it and talking about Birkas is what is funny. This is a serious job, not some innovative tech start up. It could be handled in many ways, but federal congress, including the democrats, handle it the same way. It's not an issue except in your head.

 

[astonmartin708]

Yeah that's why there are no corporate dress codes. You getting all up in arms about it and talking about Birkas is what is funny. This is a serious job, not some innovative tech start up. It could be handled in many ways, but federal congress, including the democrats, handle it the same way. It's not an issue except in your head.

My point isnt that people shouldn’t dress formally or at least semi formally. My point is that they shouldn’t need to be compelled by a set of rules to do so when they’re at a certain level. My corporation does have a dress policy, but it’s not targeted at the executive level lol.

 

[drboobay]

My point isnt that people shouldn’t dress formally or at least semi formally. My point is that they shouldn’t need to be compelled by a set of rules to do so when they’re at a certain level. My corporation does have a dress policy, but it’s not targeted at the executive level lol.

Dress policies need to be equitable and not based on your level IMO. Your role might be an ok reason such as whether you interact with customers. In those instances a manager visiting onsite would do well to set an example of proper dress.

 

[lawpoke87]

A lot of law firms have a strict dress code for attorneys and a more relaxed one for admin staff. That is changing as dress codes across the board are becoming more relaxed but they still do exist. Public accounting firms had a similar dress code back in the day. I was always required to wear a coat and tie. Not sure what they’re doing these days.

My dress code is restricted to those who see our clients. I really don’t care what the people in the back wear as long as it’s reasonable.

 

[astonmartin708]

Dress policies need to be equitable and not based on your level IMO. Your role might be an ok reason such as whether you interact with customers. In those instances a manager visiting onsite would do well to set an example of proper dress.

That’s the point I’m making… at a certain level, the effort you put in to dress should be a tacit expectation. And if yourself and your comparable colleagues already agree on what is tacitly accepted and everyone accepts that the other is making the appropriate presentation of themselves for the occasion then there shouldn’t be any mandates.

For example, when Zelensky addressed both houses of Congress to much applause, he wasn’t in dress code. He wasn’t in military dress fatigues. He was in a casual military sweater. No one would fault him for dressing the way he did given the occasion of his visit.

 

[lawpoke87]

That’s the point I’m making… at a certain level, the effort you put in to dress should be a tacit expectation. And if yourself and your comparable colleagues already agree on what is tacitly accepted and everyone accepts that the other is making the appropriate presentation of themselves for the occasion then there shouldn’t be any mandates.

For example, when Zelensky addressed both houses of Congress to much applause, he wasn’t in dress code. He wasn’t in military dress fatigues. He was in a casual military sweater. No one would fault him for dressing the way he did given the occasion of his visit.

I can assure you if I didn’t have a dress code there would be a few employees who were greeting clients in sweats (winter) and shorts (summer). People working at a company are not a monolith. There will always be outliers who disagree with the majority and a few who would defy them by dressing accordingly if allowed to their own devices. Hence….we have a dress code.

 

[astonmartin708]

I can assure you if I didn’t have a dress code there would be a few employees who were greeting clients in sweats (winter) and shorts (summer). People working at a company are not a monolith. There will always be outliers who disagree with the majority and a few who would defy them by dressing accordingly if allowed to their own devices. Hence….we have a dress code.

Those people that defy the dress code are partly why we don’t wear top hats, tails, wigs, or breaches any more.

Julius Caesar was famously one of those people lol.

Julius Caesar was criticized for his loosely belted toga. “Beware the badly belted boy,” said Sulla; Cicero sneered at Caesar’s habit of “trailing the fringe of the toga on the ground like an effeminate.” His political rival Cato the Younger made a point of wearing a short toga with no tunic underneath, as was considered masculine. But a decade later it was common for young Roman men to grow goatees, wear flowing togas, and use “loosely belted” as a catchphrase.

 

[lawpoke87]

Those people that defy the dress code are partly why we don’t wear top hats, tails, wigs, or breaches any more.

Julius Caesar was famously one of those people lol.

Julius Caesar was criticized for his loosely belted toga. “Beware the badly belted boy,” said Sulla; Cicero sneered at Caesar’s habit of “trailing the fringe of the toga on the ground like an effeminate.” His political rival Cato the Younger made a point of wearing a short toga with no tunic underneath, as was considered masculine. But a decade later it was common for young Roman men to grow goatees, wear flowing togas, and use “loosely belted” as a catchphrase.

Those people who defy the dress code are generally the ones who lack commitment, have poor work product, are habitually late, and possess little discipline.….basically poor employees. Regardless of top hats and wigs.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Are we still talking about an unimportant dress code issue almost 20 posts later. Thanks for dragging out an issue that shouldn't have even been posted about in the first place. How bout we change the subject to something important.

Is all Democrats & Republicans are going to do is impeach or talk about impeaching elected and/or appointed officials now? Neither can get much legislation through, so they decide to rage against the other parties machine?

 

[astonmartin708]

Those people who defy the dress code are generally the ones who lack commitment, have poor work product, are habitually late, and possess little discipline.….basically poor employees. Regardless of top hats and wigs.

Not typically when they were elected professionals. There’s a difference between showing irreverence for the system due to immaturity and irreverence for the system because you can actually express to others, in real terms, how broken the system is. Admittedly, sometimes those tendencies can overlap… and the immature consider themselves savants.… but other times it’s actually valid, especially when they came up through the rigid system already and have decided to act differently.

 

[lawpoke87]

Not typically when they were elected professionals. There’s a difference between showing irreverence for the system due to immaturity and irreverence for the system because you can actually express to others, in real terms, how broken the system is. Admittedly, sometimes those tendencies can overlap… and the immature consider themselves savants.… but other times it’s actually valid.

Neither of us have any first hand experience with elected officials and dress codes. My experience comes directly from the private sector. Suppose a house member from Atoka could be different than one of my processors. Again…no experience with House members from Atoka.

Next topic

 

[astonmartin708]

Neither of us have a first hand experience with elected officials and dress codes. My experience comes directly from the private sector. Suppose a house member from Atoka could be different than one of my processors. Again…no experience with House members from Atoka.

Next topic

I just think that in another 50 years, coats and ties might go fully the way of the dinosaur. I actually like coat and ties and dressing up, but it has become antiquated even today, and I wouldn’t fault anyone for wearing a button down and a vest rather than a blazer.

There is an elegance and nostalgia about the fashion trends from past generations which I appreciate, but I don’t want to impose that on others professionals. I think they can decide for themselves the effort and form with which they represent themselves to others

 

[lawpoke87]

I just think that in another 50 years, coats and ties might go fully the way of the dinosaur. I actually like coat and ties and dressing up, but it has become antiquated even today, and I wouldn’t fault anyone for wearing a button down and a vest rather than a blazer.

There is an elegance and nostalgia about the fashion trends from past generations which I appreciate, but I don’t want to impose that on others professionals. I think they can decide for themselves the effort and form with which they represent themselves to others

Not as long as I’m signing their paycheck. They aren’t just representing themselves but representing me. Some people have very poor judgement.

 

[URedskin54]

What I’m getting from this is Aston wants the women to wear burkas voluntarily out of respect for the office rather than due to codified rules

 

[astonmartin708]

What I’m getting from this is Aston wants the women to wear burkas voluntarily out of respect for the office rather than due to codified rules

I’m saying that fashion among professionals should be determined by personal preference but people should appear to have at least made an effort to take the occasion seriously, unless they are specifically looking to make a statement with their garb.

I do not think a mandate of any specific article of clothing is necessary though. Maybe Donald Trump wants to provide a commentary on his disdain for the Senate and he’ll show up in a String Bikini to an impeachment hearing. That should be his right. Hahahaha (You are all welcome for that image)

 

[watu05]

Another side of the dressing coin..or con

 

[watu05]

Republicans scamming fellow Republicans. This is bad although nothing compared to Trump.
True the Vote Sought Funds for a Ukraine Hospital That Never Materialized
https://www.propublica.org/article/ukraine-freedom-hospital-true-the-vote-phillips-engelbrecht

 

[lawpoke87]

Instead on focusing on $25M it would be nice if Prorepublica looked at the billions being scammed by Ukrainian officials…even though it doesn’t meet their political agenda.


The Ukrainian government on Tuesday confirmed the resignation of multiple high ranking officials amid large-scale corruption allegations, in what's being called the biggest mass resignation and graft scandal since the Russian invasion began.

Some dozen officials have quit their posts after a huge political shake-up over allegations and probes into cases ranging from bribery, to mismanagement of aid funds for purchasing food, to embezzlement, to driving expensive cars while common people suffer under wartime conditions.

A top presidential adviser and four deputy ministers - among these two defense officials, along with five regional governors were forced out of their posts. And among the regional governors to step down included officials overseeing regions which have seen intense fighting, including the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions.

 

[astonmartin708]

Instead on focusing on $25M it would be nice if Prorepublica looked at the billions being scammed by Ukrainian officials…even though it doesn’t meet their political agenda.


The Ukrainian government on Tuesday confirmed the resignation of multiple high ranking officials amid large-scale corruption allegations, in what's being called the biggest mass resignation and graft scandal since the Russian invasion began.

Some dozen officials have quit their posts after a huge political shake-up over allegations and probes into cases ranging from bribery, to mismanagement of aid funds for purchasing food, to embezzlement, to driving expensive cars while common people suffer under wartime conditions.

A top presidential adviser and four deputy ministers - among these two defense officials, along with five regional governors were forced out of their posts. And among the regional governors to step down included officials overseeing regions which have seen intense fighting, including the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions.

So…. You’re upset that they’re getting rid of corrupt officials???

 

[lawpoke87]

So…. You’re upset that they’re getting rid of corrupt officials???

On the contrary, I’m advocating they also investigate the corruption involving BILLIONS of dollars.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Instead on focusing on $25M it would be nice if Prorepublica looked at the billions being scammed by Ukrainian officials…even though it doesn’t meet their political agenda.


The Ukrainian government on Tuesday confirmed the resignation of multiple high ranking officials amid large-scale corruption allegations, in what's being called the biggest mass resignation and graft scandal since the Russian invasion began.

Some dozen officials have quit their posts after a huge political shake-up over allegations and probes into cases ranging from bribery, to mismanagement of aid funds for purchasing food, to embezzlement, to driving expensive cars while common people suffer under wartime conditions.

A top presidential adviser and four deputy ministers - among these two defense officials, along with five regional governors were forced out of their posts. And among the regional governors to step down included officials overseeing regions which have seen intense fighting, including the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions.

I doubt Pro Republica would have as much luck uncovering corruption in Ukraine anyway. You are defending the organization running the election lie? As much as it might feel good to ream on propublica, it's not always a tit for tat thing. Uncovering corruption anywhere is a good thing.

 

[lawpoke87]

I doubt Pro Republica would have as much luck uncovering corruption in Ukraine anyway. You are defending the organization running the election lie? As much as it might feel good to ream on propublica, it's not always a tit for tat thing. Uncovering corruption anywhere is a good thing.

Prorepublica has done plenty of investigative work outside the borders of the US. They do good work. When corruption involves US taxpayer money it should concern all of us.

Who exactly am I defending which is running an election lie?

 

[astonmartin708]

On the contrary, I’m advocating they also investigate the corruption involving BILLIONS of dollars.

To some degree we are achieving what we hoped to. Ensuring that the state of Ukraine as we know it continues to exist in some fashion. Sure we should look ask that our money is spent optimally… but really it’s up to Ukraine to recover the mishandled money from the people who mishandled it.

Pointing out that there were some corrupt officials doesn‘t further the cause of rebuffing Russian encroachment… if anything it just plays into the Russian’s narrative.

 

[lawpoke87]

To some degree we are achieving what we hoped to. Ensuring that the state of Ukraine as we know it continues to exist in some fashion. Sure we should look ask that our money is spent optimally… but really it’s up to Ukraine to recover the mishandled money from the people who mishandled it.

Pointing out that there were some corrupt officials doesn‘t further the cause of rebuffing Russian encroachment… if anything it just plays into the Russian’s narrative.

I believe the days of Russia in the Ukraine are coming to an end. We have finally taken the steps militarily to ensure as much imo. We have also entered into a potentially dangerous new phase. Which certainly bears watching.

Demanding an accounting for the billions in aid we send to any country as a condition for said aid should always be a pre-requisite. Ukraine should not be able to hide behind the “Russian narrative” argument in order to avoid accountability.

 

[URedskin54]

Their accountability of money/equipment is probably really bad, but is it as bad as our own Defense Department?

 

[lawpoke87]

Their accountability of money/equipment is probably really bad, but is it as bad as our own Defense Department?

Hell….I would like an outfit like Prorepublica track where the money went on these huge spending bills we’ve passed the past three years. Americans are so numb most don’t care about waste or debt anymore. At least until they’re told they can no longer receive the same government services due to the service costs of said debt.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Prorepublica has done plenty of investigative work outside the borders of the US. They do good work. When corruption involves US taxpayer money it should concern all of us.

Who exactly am I defending which is running an election lie?

It's a matter of appearances. When Watu posts something about Prorepublica showing corruption at True the Vote,(Supports the Election Lie) the first thing you post is how they should be looking elsewhere at Ukraine. That's what I meant by, it's not always a tit for tat. And that's how it felt.

If you take down True the Vote then they won't be supporting things like the election lie. That's a good thing. They probably felt like it took aim at two wrongs with one blow. It probably would have conveyed more of the meaning you meant, if you said something like, "I wish they would look at the corruption in the Ukraine with our military aid as well." Instead you were combative in your remark, implying what they were pointing out was wrong. And as you've pointed out that was not what you intended.

No need to defend yourself in three or four posts, if you post with more clarity of meaning.

 

[lawpoke87]

It's a matter of appearances. When Watu posts something about Prorepublica showing corruption at True the Vote,(Supports the Election Lie) the first thing you post is how they should be looking elsewhere at Ukraine. That's what I meant by, it's not always a tit for tat. And that's how it felt.

If you take down True the Vote then they won't be supporting things like the election lie. That's a good thing. They probably felt like it took aim at two wrongs with one blow. It probably would have conveyed more of the meaning you meant, if you said something like, "I wish they would look at the corruption in the Ukraine with our military aid as well." Instead you were combative in your remark, implying what they were pointing out was wrong. And as you've pointed out that was not what you intended.

No need to defend yourself in three or four posts, if you post with more clarity of meaning.

I have very little patience these days for the election deniers or the Trump crazies. I denounce both groups. Time for us all to move past that era and look ahead. I didn’t mean to support any group or movement with my post. Rather, I believe there to be widespread corruption and waste in the trillions we spend. I would like journalist to take a more active role in investigating the same.

 

[astonmartin708]

I believe the days of Russia in the Ukraine are coming to an end. We have finally taken the steps militarily to ensure as much imo. We have also entered into a potentially dangerous new phase. Which certainly bears watching.

Demanding an accounting for the billions in aid we send to any country as a condition for said aid should always be a pre-requisite. Ukraine should not be able to hide behind the “Russian narrative” argument in order to avoid accountability.

I don’t think they’re hiding behind it.… hence they’re firing top officials.

If we were hearing rumors of them squandering funds and there were no changes made, then maybe we should be more upset.

 

[aTUfan]

I have very little patience these days for the election deniers or the Trump crazies. I denounce both groups. Time for us all to move past that era and look ahead. I didn’t mean to support any group or movement with my post. Rather, I believe there to be widespread corruption and waste in the trillions we spend. I would like journalist to take a more active role in investigating the same.

i just cant believe that biden got more votes than obama.

 

[astonmartin708]

i just cant believe that biden got more votes than obama.

People hated Trump A lot more than they hated Mccaine.

 

[Gmoney4WW]

Always comes up with the same tired quotes that have nothing to do with what happened.

 

[aTUfan]

i hate biden. inflation, tax amd spend. , new green deal, clasified docs. covid, afganistan, open border, stidend loan, socialistic agenda, liar, too long a dc pimp


lack of leadership

 

[Gmoney4WW]

He's making his best attempt at trallihng?

 

[lawpoke87]

This is the type of fraud I wish Prorepublica would turn their sights toward. $560B should be a huge story. Sadly I trust the likes of Prorepublica to get to the bottom of fraud like this more than our elected officials. $25M is one thing. $560B is a totally different animal.

Congress owes it to taxpayers to take on fraud in COVID spending

Today, the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability will hold its first hearing on what was, by all accounts, one of the largest scams in American history. We’re meeting to investigate the f…

thehill.com

 

[aTUfan]

dem congress over spending: covid, who, un, nato, isolating on trump, iflation reduction act, infrastructure act, illigals support, aca, student debt, new green deal, ...

 

[watu05]

Christian nationalism. Do half of Republicans support it? Who really knows? But for the record:

The United States Constitution makes no mention of God, Jesus, or the Bible. Article 6 of the Constitution states that "no religious Test shall ever be Required as a Qualification To any Office or public Trust under the United States." And the Treaty of Tripoli, which was unanimously ratified in 1797, says. "the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

None of this has stopped the GOP from hallucinating the belief that the U.S. is a Christian Nation. According to a new survey from the Public Religion Research Institute and the Brookings Institute, more than half of Republicans believe the United States should be a strictly Christian nation.

 

[drboobay]

Christian nationalism. Do half of Republicans support it? Who really knows? But for the record:

The United States Constitution makes no mention of God, Jesus, or the Bible. Article 6 of the Constitution states that "no religious Test shall ever be Required as a Qualification To any Office or public Trust under the United States." And the Treaty of Tripoli, which was unanimously ratified in 1797, says. "the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."

None of this has stopped the GOP from hallucinating the belief that the U.S. is a Christian Nation. According to a new survey from the Public Religion Research Institute and the Brookings Institute, more than half of Republicans believe the United States should be a strictly Christian nation.

Unfortunate.

 

[URedskin54]

Confucius nationalism. Does WATU support it? Who really knows?


Seriously though this is hilarious. The “threat of Christian nationalism” in the year 2023 is the lowest it’s ever been in U.S. history. Secular religions dominate now on the left and right, even among those who give themselves a label of one faith or another. We are more or less in a post-religious culture (in the theological sense) for better or worse. In my view the post-religious right is much worse than the religious right ever was. People are untethered to the norms, manners, and decency that a life centered around faith once gave them. There is no shame.

 

[watu05]

Ok. McCarthy gives exclusive access to all the January 6 security tapes to Tucker Carlson, a man who has defended himself in court as hosting an entertainment program, not a news program so journalism standards should not apply to his content. Really?

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye