Unfortunately, some people run publicly traded and large corporations in Tulsa, and some are TU backers running that shindig. It's a sad state of affairs there.
Aah...the age old choice between one religious fanatic and another nepo baby who inherited his wealth via a family that made their money robbing natives of their livelihoods.
Drummond is a good AG.
Not going to hold anyone accountable for things his great great grandfather or uncle did 100 years ago. Drummond will give us a centrist Governor in Oklahoma. Look forward to a new era.
Serious question. I'm the one in this group who must people yell at for their president not getting elected because I vote 3rd party. Somehow it's always our fault their president didnt get elected no matter which party he is from...Here's the question. Why would inherited wealth matter in anyway on how a person does his job. If he is good at what he does, should it not be his actions that you look at and not how he happened to be lucky enough to be born to a rich family? That is not a decision he got to make for himself. Neither is the way his family made that money. He did not get to decide to be born into that? If that was the case I would have been born to a rich family on St Thomas island, or some island that is ungodly beautiful.
The comment has more to do with the fact that without his inherited wealth, he would be unlikely to be the most meritorious person for that office (or his current office).
Very few people would argue Drummond hasn’t done a superb job as AG. He earned high marks during his time in the Air Force and the law firm he founded has been highly successful. Not sure how one can get more competent. He’s an impressive individual.
Was not talking specifically about him or his legal prowess. I just don’t support putting people in office (unless absolutely necessary) who stand to cement their family’s sizable (and often undue) affluence. I think Bobby Kennedy would have been one of my few exceptions, based on merit alone, because of how extraordinarily exceptional he was.
On thing I am conflicted to some degree about is Drummond past comments on his appreciation for the Democratic Party of old and what they did for Oklahoma in the early 1900’s….. that wing of the party was a particularly troublesome one in terms of their support for racist policies towards minorities… and the Drummonds were, to some degree, caught up in all of that in their interactions with the Osage.
I would be curious to read those comments. Can you provide a link ?
It's on his Wiki, though it's a paraphrase and not a direct quote... I don't have access to the World to pull the quote, but you might. I would add, it wasn't like he was being effusive or anything. To a person who pays attention to the history of the time and place he's referring to and aware of its relation to his particular family history, it's just a bit tone-deaf.
I’m can almost guarantee he was talking about the dust bowl and the help the Dems provided those people during that time. Everything isn’t about race. Drummond isn’t like a typical 2024 Republican. He is extremely moderate. Remember he was on David Boren’s staff. His political views probably align with mine more than any politician I know. It even sure I would consider him a Republican.
He is clear headed and competent. Refreshing.
What did the Dems do in the Dustbowl beside make things worse? Lol.
Absolutely. Same thing for the present. It is the human condition and we keep trying and muddling through. And all in all things get better in the long run. You just cannot have unrealistic expectations of some sort of utopia if we just do this or that. And be cautious of moral judgments of those who preceded us.
Again, I said given a choice between him and Walters, I would take him in a heartbeat. I just wish the version of the Democratic party he appreciated (as a supposed "centerist") wasn't the morally questionable conservative wing that has gradually died out over the past 100 years.
Aston,
What things did the Oklahoma Democratic Party do to lead Oklahoma out of the dust bowl?
You’re telling me you went on a rant about Oklahoma’s AG based on a sentence in Wiki without knowing the context or even to what he was referring ? Without even reading the interview or even context? Just based on a sentience from Wiki. Wow. I think we all know it’s because he is a member of Republican Party but this is a jump even for an extremist partisan like yourself. Maybe you should read the interview ?
What does a member of the Republican Party have to do with anything. I was critiquing him for his supposed support of the historical DEMOCRATIC party.
Unfortunately more often than not it has everything to do with your opinion of individuals. I’m not the first to observe this btw. In this case you inferred a guy might be a racist because of one sentence in a wiki bio and then proceeded to go on a rant about that same wiki sentence without even reading the referenced interview or even the context.
I never said you did. I said you inferred he might be. A statement which is 100% accurate.
You were attacking the democratic party when it was more like the republican party. So yeah, that doesn't exactly count as MY PARTY criticism. You have no real criticism of Gentner. You don't even know what he said in context. Talk about doubling down.
My advice to any candidate, is don’t use the Oklahoma Democratic Party of the Pre 50’s / 60’s as a sentimental crutch to sew support with modern liberals. No matter how much you like their conservative leanings or their fiscal conservatism. It’s a quagmire that you should avoid.
You have no idea what he even said. Relying on one sentence in wiki to criticize someone without taking the time to even read the interview is beyond silly. All because of his political party. Again….its fine. You’re an extreme partisan. Nothing to be ashamed of there. You’re also bright and interesting. Someone I would enjoy a drink with while we shoot the sh*t.
Partisan? Maybe.
