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I went on to the ESPN page looking at RPI. Our next opponent has won 2 games. Both against teams with RPI greater than 150. We show an RPI of 243. Prairie View A&M has an RPI of 120. Our strength of schedule is 239. WE ARE 5-4 WITH AN SOS OF 239. Are you flipping kidding me. That sucks Major gluteus Maximus. I look at it this way with that bad of an RPI and that bad of SOS if you lose to Tulsa you shouldn’t be considered for anything.

That is horrid scheduling.

Rant over
 
loca2874 said:
We are everyone else’s SWOSU. We are the little sisters of the poor college!!!
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The scheduling is fine. The other teams suck and we've lost 2 games to Illinois St, which we should not have. Everyone has Lamar's on their schedule. We've also played a MAC team, 2 Big XII teams, an in town "rival", and 2 regional mid-majors (UCA, UTSA). The schedule is exactly as it should be to get things down to go into our conference. You've got to win those games though. We should not have lost to Lamar or Illinois St. We'll also have another game against a Big XII team.

And Wichita State is now ranked #3 behind Villanova and Michigan State.
 
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Our small conference scheduling actually isn’t bad this year. Most of those teams will win a bunch in their leagues and won’t hurt our RPI by the end of the season. The problem is the “big win” opportunities on the schedule turned out to be not very good this year
 
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loca2874 said:
Well that looks better than what I was looking at. I know we have better games coming and I agree we should not have lost to any team so far.
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Losing to Iowa State was not a terrible loss. They got hot during that tournament and scored a lot of points that weekend. They haven't quite played at the same level in games after that.

The disappointing losses to Lamar and the 1st Illinois State game where our team forget to play the game is what is a bummer. We actually played OK in the 2nd Illinois State game, we just couldn't hit a damn layup that game...and we had a lot of opportunities.
 
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I watched both Illinois state games as I was in myrtle beach for the first one. We played much better than the first one but still left them open. I know it’s not who we beat it’s who we beat, beats. Lol. Follow my logic. I just think I need to look at the SOS after MLK day so I can feel better. Lol
 
Scheduling is not the problem. Defense has been most of the problem. If we win all those games we are in the top 25.
 
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Tulsa did not play well in that 2nd game at ISU. They looked a 1/2 step slower than ISU and really disorganized on both ends (in large part, imo, due to the crazy sub patterns and player combos on the court). One of the oddest live games I've ever attended in men's D1 basketball.
 
Illinois State has struggled to beat any team not named "Tulsa" all season.

They've been getting pounded recently.

What's even more odd is that the TU losses to ISU don't look like flukes. It must be just a horrible matchup.
 
hotterthanyourhusbandTU said:
Illinois State has struggled to beat any team not named "Tulsa" all season.

They've been getting pounded recently.

What's even more odd is that the TU losses to ISU don't look like flukes. It must be just a horrible matchup.
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They are asking to play us three times next year. Once in a tournament and home and home.
 
From what I saw... if Tulsa played ISU 10 times, ISU wins 7-8... but the talent level would give a slight edge to Tulsa due to Tulsa's depth.
 
hotterthanyourhusbandTU said:
Illinois State has struggled to beat any team not named "Tulsa" all season.

They've been getting pounded recently.

What's even more odd is that the TU losses to ISU don't look like flukes. It must be just a horrible matchup.
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What? They lost their last two by 12 and 6 to BYU and Murray St which are something like 14-4. The last time they were crushed was the game before us against Nevada who was undefeated at the time. The only time they lost to somebody who was not that great was Charleston So & the only other time they got beat badly besides Nevada, was against a 10-1 Boise St. by 18 pts.

The only loss that was by a ton was Nevada by 30. Don't quite understand you saying they've been pounded lately. They are probably one of the better 4-6 teams out there.
 
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Gmoney4WW said:
What? They lost their last two by 12 and 6 to Murray St and BYU which are something like 14-4. The last time they were crushed was the game before us against Nevada who was undefeated at the time. The only time they lost to somebody who was not that great was Charleston So & the only other time they got beat badly besides Nevada, was against a 10-1 Boise St. by 18 pts.

The only loss that was by a ton was Nevada by 30. Don't quite understand you saying they've been pounded lately. They are probably one of the better 4-6 teams out there.
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I agree that BYU and Murray State are pretty good teams. I didn’t say they were losing recently to bad teams.

However, they have been beaten soundly. The BYU loss was an absolute blowout, just like the Nevada game...they were down by nearly 30 points in the second half until the Mormons “called off the dogs”.

They lost to Murray State at home while trailing the entire second half by 6-10 points. Not as bad as BYU or Nevada, but losing at home without having a lead after halftime is pretty decisive.
 
You’re dealing with semantics now. BYU leads ISU by 30 but wins by 6 and they “called off the dogs”, TU leads PVAM by 17 and wins by 4 and they “almost blew it”. People naturally take what should be objective data and put their own subjective spin on them to support their own agenda. It gets frustrating to watch TU fans do this to continually put our team in a negative light. I predict that sometime soon another conference team will trail a team they should beat easily then come back to win by 1 or 2 and they will have “shown a lot of toughness”. At the same time TU will have a similar result and they “got lucky.
 
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You’re dealing with semantics now. BYU leads ISU by 30 but wins by 6 and they “called off the dogs”, TU leads PVAM by 17 and wins by 4 and they “almost blew it”. People naturally take what should be objective data and put their own subjective spin on them to support their own agenda. It gets frustrating to watch TU fans do this to continually put our team in a negative light. I predict that sometime soon another conference team will trail a team they should beat easily then come back to win by 1 or 2 and they will have “shown a lot of toughness”. At the same time TU will have a similar result and they “got lucky.
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I agree with your points, but there needs to be a slight correction. BYU won by 12, Murray St was the 6 point loss.
 
Thanks for the correction, I didn’t look up the scores but went by the relative placement in the previous post. My point, and opinion, still stands
 
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Looks like we are heading to 135. Would an osu win push us into the top 100?
 
I.I. said:
Scheduling is not the problem. Defense has been most of the problem. If we win all those games we are in the top 25.
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Scheduling isn't a cure-all. If you're good enough to win all your games, then it won't keep you out of the tournament. If you're bad enough to lose all your games, then it won't get you in. But it can help tremendously at the margins. Good coaches know the scheduling tricks to make your team stand out in a messy bubble.
 
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Tulsa did not play well in that 2nd game at ISU. They looked a 1/2 step slower than ISU and really disorganized on both ends (in large part, imo, due to the crazy sub patterns and player combos on the court). One of the oddest live games I've ever attended in men's D1 basketball.
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I think 4-games in roughly 12 months is a good sample to declare Illinois State is simply the better program right now. They'll win the MVC outright this season, Co-champs last season. The Birds could have easily swept all 4 games had Mullen not lost his mind in the final minute last season.

TX
 
The best/toughest part of TU's schedule is coming. Win some games in the AAC and the RPI will take care of it's self. Very good chance the AAC will be a top 5 RPI conference this season.

Frankly I don't think RPI will matter, this roster of players does not seem like a team. Seem like there is way too much individual play going on.

TX
 
There is no way the AAC will be in the top 5 at year end. Too far behind the Big10 (who currently sits at #5). I think we're stuck at 7 in both the RPI and Sagarin. You typically don't see a ton of movement once conference play starts....and the fact that our OOC strength of schedule is well below those top 6 conferences I don't see much room to improve.
 
lawpoke87 said:
There is no way the AAC will be in the top 5 at year end. Too far behind the Big10 (who currently sits at #5). I think we're stuck at 7 in both the RPI and Sagarin. You typically don't see a ton of movement once conference play starts....and the fact that our OOC strength of schedule is well below those top 6 conferences I don't see much room to improve.
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Only chance is passing Pac, doubtful.
 
lawpoke87 said:
There is no way the AAC will be in the top 5 at year end. Too far behind the Big10 (who currently sits at #5). I think we're stuck at 7 in both the RPI and Sagarin. You typically don't see a ton of movement once conference play starts....and the fact that our OOC strength of schedule is well below those top 6 conferences I don't see much room to improve.
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This is the best conference Tulsa has played in since the late 60's early 70's.

GO TU!!!!
 
lawpoke87 said:
There is no way the AAC will be in the top 5 at year end. Too far behind the Big10 (who currently sits at #5). I think we're stuck at 7 in both the RPI and Sagarin. You typically don't see a ton of movement once conference play starts....and the fact that our OOC strength of schedule is well below those top 6 conferences I don't see much room to improve.
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For whatever reason the AAC does typically move up a spot in RPI during conference play. Good scheduling I guess
 
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texcane1982 said:
I think 4-games in roughly 12 months is a good sample to declare Illinois State is simply the better program right now. They'll win the MVC outright this season...
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Northern Iowa would like to have a word with you about your confident MVC prediction. Some predictors indicate they have a chance to sweep the Valley if the ball bounces their way in just a few games. Meanwhile, Illinois State is predicted to go 500 in conference and has an RPI in our range. Some predictors have Illinois state going sub 500 for the season.

Northern Iowa will likely be on top. Valpo, Layola, Bradley, and Evansville have a shot to beat out Illinois State in Valley rankings.

Not bashing the Red Bird's program, and RPI/rankings/predictors are likely still sketchy at this point in the season, and I agree with your main point, but lets not pretend that Illinois State is just a dominant team this year. Plus, I'm a Northern Iowa fan, so back off. :)
 
JesseTU said:
Northern Iowa would like to have a word with you about your confident MVC prediction. Some predictors indicate they have a chance to sweep the Valley if the ball bounces their way in just a few games. Meanwhile, Illinois State is predicted to go 500 in conference and has an RPI in our range. Some predictors have Illinois state going sub 500 for the season.

Northern Iowa will likely be on top. Valpo, Layola, Bradley, and Evansville have a shot to beat out Illinois State in Valley rankings.

Not bashing the Red Bird's program, and RPI/rankings/predictors are likely still sketchy at this point in the season, and I agree with your main point, but lets not pretend that Illinois State is just a dominant team this year. Plus, I'm a Northern Iowa fan, so back off. :)
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Missouri St can play with anyone in the MVC.

Imo UNI isn’t that talented and has very little chance to sweep the Valley. Not that the regular season likely matters much, it’s all about Arch Madness.
 
LincolnParkCY said:
Missouri St can play with anyone in the MVC.

Imo UNI isn’t that talented and has very little chance to sweep the Valley. Not that the regular season likely matters much, it’s all about Arch Madness.
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Is that the same Missouri State that lost to ORU last week? Actually, I don't know that team very well. but they did lose to ORU. :)

And I don't think UNI is ludicrously talented either. I'd guess their chance to sweep the Valley is something less than a coin flip, but maybe more than 25%? But if they run the Valley and build to their already stout RPI, I'd guess the conference tournament wouldn't keep them out of the dance. A perk of being a "name brand" recently. Fully admitting my bias. :)
 
What's the formula to determine approximately what it would move to with a win over Tulane???
 
Your opponent's record is the biggest factor in the rpi. So if we kerp beating teams with good records it helps even if their rpi is not awesome - that would be my assumption. Even beating ECU helped a bit.
 
Illinois St. just pulled out of a 10 pt deficit in regulation to beat Indiana St in overtime. That should help our RPI a little bit.
 
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