I'm not in the know at all, maybe someone would be willing to convince me that I shouldn't be underwhelmed so far?
Recruiting
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Seems to me like we've taken care of all of our needs with some quality recruits. Don't quite understand why you would be underwhelmed. If I'm interpreting t-townpod's one word response correctly(as not being sarcastic) then my response would be the same. Why?
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If we pull in a juco that is getting 10 rebounds a game in juco, I don't see why he can't translate that into 7 or 8 rebounds a game in D1. And the Chicago St point guard should be able to get a lot of points for us, and at the worst, be a good sub for Pritchard. Those were our screaming needs. Then we've got our three freshman that should be good recruits for us. And we still have one spot open to grab somebody to round out our open slot.
If we pull in a juco that is getting 10 rebounds a game in juco, I don't see why he can't translate that into 7 or 8 rebounds a game in D1. And the Chicago St point guard should be able to get a lot of points for us, and at the worst, be a good sub for Pritchard. Those were our screaming needs. Then we've got our three freshman that should be good recruits for us. And we still have one spot open to grab somebody to round out our open slot.
What would you like to see? Things are exciting over in the Alley.
Well, it's a message board. That's the kind of thing you do on message boards.
I didn't look at those guys and think, these are the kinds of recruits that will get us back to the 2nd or 3rd round of the tournament. But we don't have to talk about it if you guys don't want to.
I think the feeling is that the class represents a good start.
I think it's already a more complete team than we ever had with Haith. And he is most definitely a more complete coach at x's and o's than Haith was.
I believe you should feel underwhelmed at this point. We are only replacing a couple of players right now. If we were Wichita state, UCF, Temple or Memphis that have to replace a bunch of players then you might not feel that way right now.
This is my line of thinking because i am in the same boat as you are, with a new coach we have a new offense and a new defense to be installed. We only have had 4 hit the portal and after the coach met with the team one came back out of the portal. I am pretty sure most of the base is ok with Haywood and Early leaving.
I believe until we see the first game or the exhibition game this season we will be underwhelmed. I am looking forward to the Myrtle beach invitational this year. It’s going to be a great field and Murray State has been added as the last team in the field. So I am with you @chito_and_leon
This is my line of thinking because i am in the same boat as you are, with a new coach we have a new offense and a new defense to be installed. We only have had 4 hit the portal and after the coach met with the team one came back out of the portal. I am pretty sure most of the base is ok with Haywood and Early leaving.
I believe until we see the first game or the exhibition game this season we will be underwhelmed. I am looking forward to the Myrtle beach invitational this year. It’s going to be a great field and Murray State has been added as the last team in the field. So I am with you @chito_and_leon
I believe we will find that with the style of play that Konkol will install, there will be some noticeable improvement in many of our players. Sounds like we will run a simpler defense and a more open offense.
I think the recruits we’ve secured are what we needed to plug holes in a sinking ship that Haith built. No these guys aren’t 4 or 5 star recruits, but I think the style of play along with the specific attributes of both recruits gives us a better chance at winning than we’ve had previously.
Further, with only being in the job 6-7 weeks, I think he’s done a pretty good job of trying to correct the hand he was dealt.
so if only 4-5 star kids with offers from only duke and Kentucky are all that excite you, I suppose you may be underwhelmed.
Further, with only being in the job 6-7 weeks, I think he’s done a pretty good job of trying to correct the hand he was dealt.
so if only 4-5 star kids with offers from only duke and Kentucky are all that excite you, I suppose you may be underwhelmed.
Chito,
If you're underwhelmed then that's your own problem. Go look at the offers of the kids we are bringing in with better coaching we will be on the up and up bigtime, especially with better coaching. We've NEVER won with 4 and 5 stars, but have won with scrappy coaches and players.
Sack up and quit whining.
If you're underwhelmed then that's your own problem. Go look at the offers of the kids we are bringing in with better coaching we will be on the up and up bigtime, especially with better coaching. We've NEVER won with 4 and 5 stars, but have won with scrappy coaches and players.
Sack up and quit whining.
I'm excited to see them hit the court, and so are a lot of people in the alley. You guys are being aston-critical.(a synonym for aston is hyper)
We should be much better shooting from 3 pt land, will most definitely be better at defending 3's from the corner. We will likely win the boards contest more than we lose it. We will get a few more dunks than before with an improved front court. With the sophomore leap we should see significant improvement out of Pritchard, and have a solid backup pg instead of Embery and such, Out of all of the shooting guards we have somebody(s) who will shine. Griffin, Chapman, maybe Knight.
We are replacing six players. We could have replaced 8, but likely Konkol saw Urbancic as a good practice player, and felt comfortable that Embery was making an effort to lose weight and achieve at least some of the success he had in HS. When you replace 8 or 9 players you have more of a chance of getting some duds in your recruiting class. And I'm guessing you will see at least one significantly improved player out of some of the scrubs.(Embery, Urbancic, Dalger)
I'm of the same opinion as dougheffking,
Sack up and quit whining.
IMO we will be a better team out of the gate with Konkol than we were for all of Haith's regime.
We should be much better shooting from 3 pt land, will most definitely be better at defending 3's from the corner. We will likely win the boards contest more than we lose it. We will get a few more dunks than before with an improved front court. With the sophomore leap we should see significant improvement out of Pritchard, and have a solid backup pg instead of Embery and such, Out of all of the shooting guards we have somebody(s) who will shine. Griffin, Chapman, maybe Knight.
We are replacing six players. We could have replaced 8, but likely Konkol saw Urbancic as a good practice player, and felt comfortable that Embery was making an effort to lose weight and achieve at least some of the success he had in HS. When you replace 8 or 9 players you have more of a chance of getting some duds in your recruiting class. And I'm guessing you will see at least one significantly improved player out of some of the scrubs.(Embery, Urbancic, Dalger)
I'm of the same opinion as dougheffking,
Sack up and quit whining.
IMO we will be a better team out of the gate with Konkol than we were for all of Haith's regime.
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There's a vast array of talent between the guys we got and "4-5 star kids with offers from only duke and Kentucky" . Do you really think that one step up from the guys we got will get you to the Duke and Kentucky guys? Honestly it's a pretty stupid argument
Definitely And player development should be better. I'm not sure the obviously too early recruiting is any more promising than Frank but I expect the new staff to be (hopefully) a lot better at maximizing the value of the talent both in the short run and the long run.
Yeah, it's a weird situation. Usually you don't really know anything about a coach's recruiting until after they've coached a year. This year with the portal, it's possible to reach much too early conclusions... Hopefully if the staff really turns the team around on the floor, recruiting will just naturally get better. Kind of hard to recruit I'm sure with as bad as we've been lately.
Let's put a post it on this thread, and revisit next season. There will be improvement next year, right now it's simply a question of how much. And we still haven't even filled our last spot.
Since last year was our worst overall record in 17 years and worst conference record in 60 years, having improvement is almost guaranteed! With the way we schedule and our conference, you have to work pretty dang hard to have a season as bad as last year. I suspect even Frank would have gotten back to around .500 with another year. But I agree that it's way too early to tell on recruiting, the staff needs at least 2 full, regular recruiting cycles to really know. I haven't seen anything to make me more than my baseline cautiously optimistic though.
At the end of the day, I’m just happy we’re moving in a different (seemingly very positive) direction with Konkol. He has kept his word about getting out in the community and after having a conversation with him, he seems like he’s the real deal.
Im happy about the recruits because they seem like guys the previous staff would have passed on (the type that would in turn burn us in head to head competition).
I don’t think Tubby, Nolan, or Self got to the NCAA tournament their first year here. Nolan won the NIT but Buzz did that too. There was a lot of disappointment in the early games of Tubby’s and Bill’s first years here. There were big donors walking out the door after the bad Houston home loss Bill’s first year saying we made a bad choice! (Houston was really bad that year) Unless we get Junior Lofton or 2-3 players become all-AAC surprisingly, this may be a really fun year but not one where you can get excited on selection Sunday. Year two depending on the crazy portal, you might have a legitimate shot to get there. I am excited to see if Konkol’s player recruiting evaluations exceed Haith’s. They would almost have to. Not many thought Tony Heard , Marcus Hill and Eric Coley were more than 2 star players. Don’t get hung up on star ratings.
Frankly, I'm just glad we will be seeing something new at TU!
Even if the early recruiting isn't any more promising than Haith,(which I don't believe) Frank always left us 1 or 2 players short of a real team. I don't get the feeling that has happened with Konkol. It's at least the same level of players with all needs met. That's important. Frank would go get two shooting guards, when we needed a shooting guard and a point guard. Konkol is not doing that.
Chito, after the last few years of Haith’s teams continuing to underperform many of us welcome a change in coaching and even players. The losses of former players don’t bother me, and I wouldn’t mind if we return to the Self days of bringing in players that better fit the philosophy and team we are trying to build even if it means the loss of someone who played under Haith. It remains to be seen whether KES can make the commitment to keep up his academics and play basketball at TU, but the new staff still have him on the roster. I will trust their judgement on player evaluation and development.
KES is the only senior on the squad, both academically and eligibility wise....That will still be true
after the 5 recruits report for summer school, as there are no grad transfers in the 2022 class...
He has been here for three seasons, the first being the then required red shirt year....
I guess we could look at his retention from several angles, one being that the staff sees a once
really good player (that they probably recruited when they were at LaTech) they think they can
rehabilitate.....another might be to show all of the current players that they are important to
this staff, even though they were recruited by Haith's group....
Right now, Konkol&Co. doesn't seem to be really hurting for his scholarship....We have one open
for Junior, or whoever, and that will probably end the recruiting for this year's class....
From a team unity aspect, his retention seems to be a really good coaching move...The retained
players need to feel wanted and needed...At this juncture in the new staff's tenure, that has to
be a really important part of the decision....
after the 5 recruits report for summer school, as there are no grad transfers in the 2022 class...
He has been here for three seasons, the first being the then required red shirt year....
I guess we could look at his retention from several angles, one being that the staff sees a once
really good player (that they probably recruited when they were at LaTech) they think they can
rehabilitate.....another might be to show all of the current players that they are important to
this staff, even though they were recruited by Haith's group....
Right now, Konkol&Co. doesn't seem to be really hurting for his scholarship....We have one open
for Junior, or whoever, and that will probably end the recruiting for this year's class....
From a team unity aspect, his retention seems to be a really good coaching move...The retained
players need to feel wanted and needed...At this juncture in the new staff's tenure, that has to
be a really important part of the decision....
Frank definitely had to go, it was clear for a long time that he would never be the solution to get us back where we want to be. He should have gone earlier if it weren't for the general dumbfuggery going on at the university as a whole. As I said above, we'll win 5 or 6 more games just by regression to the mean, and it seems almost inevitable that this staff will get more out of the talent than Frank did. I'm glad to see others think the new recruits are the type that will get us moving back to the 2nd round or better of the tournament several years down the road. I don't personally see it but people on here know more than I do.
I haven't look at next year's schedule but ~18 or 19 wins next season and over 50% in conference seems like a good expectation after last year.
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yeah, one good thing about the Frank situation is that anything not Frank will be an improvement. Frank had 0% chance of getting us where we want to be, literally anybody has a higher chance. It would be interesting to know how people would have reacted to this class if Frank was still in charge. We'll never know, but we had definitely gotten to the point that Frank could do no right for a lot of people and it feels like we're in that honeymoon period where Konkol can do no wrong. Hopefully that's true.
BTW, the new recruits seem like really good people, the kind we'll be happy to have as alumni for the next 70 years. I hope they're happy and successful at TU and get as much out of the experience as I did. The young man from Chicago said that Konkol made a good impression on his mom, that's a person with his head on right who will be successful at life.
I've put out a lot of stuff in Hurricane Alley over the past month that is encouraging, in my opinion, comparatively.
The 2023 guys they've offered so far is a good start: Basketball offers extended by the new TU staff
Today's article on Parker Friedrichsen:
Parker Friedrichsen talks Tulsa and recruiting
After 4-star SG Parker Friedrichsen decommitted from OSU, it didn’t take long for the new TU coaches to extend an offer.
I like the D-1 transfer and juco signee...
Chicago State transfer Brandon Betson commits to Tulsa
Chicago State transfer PG Brandon Betson committed to TU basketball coaches on Friday, May 6.
Juco big man commits to Tulsa
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