NCAA just voted to allow college athletes to get paid. Not sure how this is going to end up for TU...
Paying Players
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Sadly it was always going to wind up here with as big as the business of college football and basketball has become. When you have quite a few college head coaches making more than NFL head coaches I’d say the amateurism of college sports has gone by the wayside
Not only will this essentially create a pro league among the top 15-20 schools, it will force out all of the middling P6 schools into a new league. But, maybe we are there already.
My prediction: In 10 years or less TU along with a dozen other schools will drop football.
My prediction: In 10 years or less TU along with a dozen other schools will drop football.
Are they allowing athletes to get endorsements? Allowing colleges to pay them? or Both? I could see it working out ok in either scenario for us depending on how it gets implemented.
I read earlier that they'll be allowed to profit off their likeness and image. So I think that means they can't receive a salary, but can receive royalties for their jersey sales, player profiles within sports games, autographed memorabilia, etc.
This is the biggest can of worms ever.
So, how are these players going to negotiate these agreements? Are all players going to be able to sign agents now? Are schools going to have to end up recruiting through these same agents? Seems inevitable to me.
Terrible idea.
So, how are these players going to negotiate these agreements? Are all players going to be able to sign agents now? Are schools going to have to end up recruiting through these same agents? Seems inevitable to me.
Terrible idea.
I agree this will be a mess.
However, many leaders at TU thought this would really help us.
I believe Stead was a big proponent of this concept.
However, many leaders at TU thought this would really help us.
I believe Stead was a big proponent of this concept.
Stead was a big proponent of quite a few concepts that have gotten us in trouble.
True. But we’ve since swung the pendulum all the way to the other side of things.
it would be nice if we had an administration that supported athletics in a smart way.
They already get paid. A free education, and an opportunity to showcase for the pros.
if the ncaa thinks they deserve more, then the checks should come from the ncaa, not the schools.
if the ncaa thinks they deserve more, then the checks should come from the ncaa, not the schools.
They will more than likely force each school to hire a compliance officer for the very long list of rules the NCAA will have in place before this goes live. Any deviation from this, I would assume will be met with the same style violations we currently see for impermissible benefits.
Lets play a guessing game on what we will assume to be permissible when this drops.
Appearance fee for signing autographs at a Car dealership - ok
Free lease from said dealership - not ok
Doing an online commercial for a restaurant that advertises at the games - ok
Working at the same restaurant bar for tips - not ok
Participate in a ribbon cutting ceremony for a new casino - ok
Sit down at a machine thats been pre-loaded with $100 bills and hit the cashout button - not ok
Lets play a guessing game on what we will assume to be permissible when this drops.
Appearance fee for signing autographs at a Car dealership - ok
Free lease from said dealership - not ok
Doing an online commercial for a restaurant that advertises at the games - ok
Working at the same restaurant bar for tips - not ok
Participate in a ribbon cutting ceremony for a new casino - ok
Sit down at a machine thats been pre-loaded with $100 bills and hit the cashout button - not ok
The FBI is still trying to figure out how Auburn rigged that casino for their signees more than a decade later. Some believe Cam Newton’s uncle may have received up to $300,000 from the casino in staged payouts over several months.
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SMU’s high $$$ boosters will love this! Norman car dealerships can now get back on the OU bandwagon. Perhaps one or two TU players will get to drive a Lexus around Tulsa. Our newest field goal kicker will be living in the Skelly mansion instead of Clancy. There’s no end to the possibilities.
scholarship players are already getting a stipend from the athletic department. So they are already getting paid. I have no problem with them making money off of themselves but the university shouldn't be paying them. I agree this is going to lead to universities dropping athletic programs especially football. There will also be a big gap from the haves and the have nots.
There are a lot of questions and I asked them on the pay board thread...here are my concerns:
Will schools have to pay athletes for using their NIL on posters, season ticket packages, or in season promos for the team/games? If so there is a title IX implication in that.
EA Sports- everyone thinks this is about video games. Truth is, the video game issue was the driver of the lawsuit...which ended up being about a whole lot of other stuff than just a video game. If EA or any other game developer comes back to the table with college sport video games...how will they implement that? Will EA give the NCAA or the school a set amount of money that is then paid to the athletes in question? Again, if it goes through the school, there is a title IX issue. There is also the issue of some athletes say at Alabama or OU who think they should get more than players at TU. Will they be allowed to do their own personal negotiations for add'l NIL money.
Taxing scholarship as income- this isn't going to happen. The more I think about it, it just won't because you can't just decide to tax athletic scholarships because now the athlete can market his NIL. If you tax athletic scholarships, the IRS will come back with you would need to tax any scholarships or grant-in-aid because they are essentially the same thing. What is that tax a tax on? Is it a tax on a benefit or a tax on income? If it's a tax on income then that would imply the athlete is an employee...then you end up with unions.
I think we've discovered the rabbit hole, but unlike Alice, once you go down it you're not finding Wonderland. It's going to be a disaster and the end of college athletics as we know it. We've started seeing its destruction when players decided playing for the pride of their school was no longer important and big name players skipping bowl games b/c they're going pro.
Isn't this just another way to get booster money into the hands of players.
Since this issue started in California, the land of sharing, then each player should receive equal shares.
Since this issue started in California, the land of sharing, then each player should receive equal shares.
That also means the bench players on the badminton team gets paid the same as Jalen hurts. damn rabbit hole
But that would mean everything remained equal and that would not be a bad thing for a school like TU.
I don't think it would be a good thing unless I am looking at this wrong. If they have to pay every athlete the same amount of money then we will be paying players that play sports that generate no revenue. This will start to have a financial impact as we will be paying out more than we take in. Our lack of ticket sales and other things due to the pitiful attendance from the pitiful performance on the field does not bode well in my opinion for TU.
If I am wrong please correct me.
So if all of these NIL payments work through the schools, it will be the same for every school as that would have Title IX implications for every school out there.
If the moneys come from outside enterprises, that eliminates some of the title IX stuff. It will be interesting to see how athletic dept. marketing depts. work to set up a number of local endorsement agreements with local companies, i.e. Rib Crib, Mazzio's, QT, BOK, and make available certain teams to do the promos. This will get some $ into the athletes on the Olympic Sports teams. It's time to get all of the large car dealerships in Tulsa on board. (I think one of the restrictions will likely be that no student athlete can miss class time or travel greater than 'x' miles for said endorsement appearance as they are still student athletes and missing class isn't in the best interest of the student part). If that's the case, the big dealerships in Tulsa wouldn't be able to use OU or OSU players. This is also a way that the NCAA can at least try to push equity among member schools.
There are a number of possibilities in Tulsa for this. Fleet Feet could pair up with TU's cross country team. All of the companies who already advertise with TU could possibly help TU a lot with this as well as get some extra return out of those efforts.
I see what you did there not only with it helping the Student Athlete but also benefitting the school monetarily. This is definitely a different look at it then I had. I will now stay more receptive depending on how they structure it. Well said.
I find it sadly ironic that players complained about not having time to have a side job, but they're suddenly expecting to have all of this extra time to do endorsements.
And then we'll still have the kids on the team (like the two idiots today) that use their extra cash inappropriately. Like for buying drugs + guns and storing them in their John Mabee dorm rooms.
Also, if an endorsement from a college player is what lures you to buy a car, you shouldn't be buying a car.
And then we'll still have the kids on the team (like the two idiots today) that use their extra cash inappropriately. Like for buying drugs + guns and storing them in their John Mabee dorm rooms.
Also, if an endorsement from a college player is what lures you to buy a car, you shouldn't be buying a car.
Yeah, I think there is a definite interest in how it will be structured to ensure equity and fairness and not to widen the gap even more than it is already. The NCAA and the P5s have been skating on thin ice and ceding some access and small amounts of $ to the G5s in hopes of avoiding anti-trust lawsuits to keep their GOBS of $$$.
that the california formula, everyone deserves the same regardless what they contribute
We will never be free of stupid people making stupid choices. That said, having 20 hours a week to go make $10 an hour, which is a pretty generous guess and not at all possible for a full time student athlete, takes a helluva lot more time than going and taking promo photos or doing a commercial and making $2500-$5000 (also a guess). I’d bet a couple of hours max. I’d be willing to squeeze that in if I were still in school.
I think this is going to get pretty interesting and my guess is it is going to further increase the divide between the big boys and the rest but I also feel like this change is inevitable. Adapt or die.
I hope it works out like you are propositioning it will work out. That is a hope, not an expectation.
For smaller schools all we have is hope on that front. I don't trust anything that California does and all of this is coming from them making an uninformed decision. Just like making cannabis legal has actually made things worse for law enforcement. They don't think in that state. But their wreckless decisions have others going hey we can be wreckless as well so now the NCAA had to look at it more. I hate California if I haven't said that already
All the journeyman positions like offensive lineman do not get the opportunity to 'be a star' because these positions are not glorified like quarterback, wr, rb, etc. But they put in just as much work, and without them the 'stars' wouldn't have the opportunity to be a 'star'. I don't believe too many 'stars' would have a problem splitting proceeds with these other players. Quit repeating your diatribes saying the same thing in every post, about who earned what with their contributions. You have no clue.
So the NCAA is going to require the student athlete travel thousands of miles so the University can earn $$ but the same student athlete can't travel an hour away from school to benefit themselves? Don't see that as a possibility. Even if the rule somehow passed the car dealerships would simply drive down to Norman or Stillwater and film the commercial there imo.
The current California law specifically excludes any payments flowing through the schools. I could see the schools not wanting any part of this mess due to accounting and Title IV issues. They certainly didn't in California.
I’ll be curious how big this gets and ultimately what kind of money we are talking about. A potential positive of this change is that you might have fewer borderline draftable players declaring early. If you can make a good chunk of money over and above your expenses some guys might decide to hang around another year. Who knows.
I think you will see the art of self-promotion among college athletes dramatically rise as the more well known you are the more $$ you can make. I can even see athletes hiring social media and PR people to advise them on ways to gain exposure. My fear is that we start to see even more of an emphasis on "me" opposed to "team".
How many unsportsmanlike penalties will we see when this self-promotion happens in a game after a player scores a TD or sacks a QB?
Being a college head coach in a revenue sport is going to get a lot more difficult imo.
Well, these players better not have anything related to their school promoted in these commercials. No kids in OSU jerseys slinging used cars. They don't have rights to use those copyrighted items.
It's gonna be like Post-Packers Favre selling jeans. Do any of us really care that Favre wears levi's or wranglers or whatever? I don't think there are going to be as many opportunities for kids as the players think there will be. The top 50 players every season might get quite a bit in terms of apparel endorsements. Joe WideReceiver from UAB is going to get diddly squat.
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