Appears a rival doesn't have patience for back-to-back losing season. Same can't be said at 11th & Harvard.
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Holgorsen to UH
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Looks to be a good move for both Holgy and Houston. Dana had worn out his welcome at WVa (he’s a different cat). Their new AD and Dana didn’t see eye to eye and friction between the two had grown to a point where he saw the writing on the wall. Applewhite has never impressed me at any of his stops. Holgerson is definitely an upgrade imo. He should have Houston at or near the top of the conference for as long as he’s there. Houston is doing everything in their power to position themselves for a P5 spot when the next round of realignment occurs.
Feels a lot like us hiring Haith but they moved a year earlier. This time next year would have been perfect.
Careful, Goldie* may not let you stay around these parts. He doesn't like critical comments like that.
The issue isn’t that the post is critical, it’s that the post is ignorant. We’re having challenges because we spent irresponsibility, the solution isn’t to be more financially irresponsible. This is like someone who loads up his credit cards and has collectors calling and “solves” the problem by getting more credit cards. If we had an 8 or 9 figure donor hanging around things would be different. A lot. But we don’t.
Amen. Ignorant may not be the word. Lack of awareness would be the phrase I would use.
Mostly correct, especially the credit card analogy, but there are other issues much greater than short and long term financing and football investment. Stead made decisions that were aggressive (and netted short term gains due to enhanced flexibility) but ill advised. Internal controls were dismantled or ignored on some decisions. The disaster in the teaching program continues to be a symptom, not a problem. Clancy may be the most challenged President in school history, at least in the short term.
Compounding those problems, there are non-academic, non-athletic programs that are costing a fortune that cannot be cut or dismantled and in some cases are being expanded. There are several highly compensated employees that simply can not justify their salary based on their performance, especially when you look at what they were making in 2008 versus 2018 and what similar personnel are paid elsewhere. Add into that, some payments on lawsuits that are due and even the uninformed should be able to see that the ability to spend their way out of the problems is severely limited. This includes football.
Even casual listening to informed persons when you visit campus, reading the posts and documents posted here and elsewhere and you should be able to understand that the leadership isn’t happy with the won/loss record, but they can’t do anything about it, and even if they could, other threats merit their attention. splashy football hires would impede their efforts to respond to those threats.
That’s why we need to see the focus and skill from Monty’s staff we saw from Kragthorpe. We need the craftman’s eye to adjust what we are doing (and trying to do) to available resources and players and then execute that. That isn’t being communicated to the fans if it is being done and the results on the field appear to be a stubborn refusal to accept current available resources, players, and expectations.
Instead we get martyr statements about cutting their pay which will make it impossible to locate a credible collateral candidate to the position for at least a decade if not longer at anything close to terms favorable to the University. The resources and opportunities for this program are multiple times greater than 2003. When Kragthorpe stepped on campus we had not sniffed a win or even hope in 10 years. There was never a doubt he was going to win and had the knowledge and moxy to use multiple approaches to reach the right conclusion. He made Kilian into an NFL QB by god. He made an all conference Oline out of players that barely made all district as individuals in high school. He knew there was a way to get the job done, he told us what it was, then he went and did it. And kept everyone out of jail and in church while doing it.
To the bitter end, despite the losses, I was behind Coach Rader. He knew what he was doing and he was trying to play his meager cards into a winning hand.
Patience for back to back losing seasons? There is a decade of patience amongst most long term die hard TU fans. Heck, some of us aren’t happy unless we are losing. Winning means we must be cutting academic corners.
The loss of patience is at the lack of vision, lack of professionalism in responding to on field and off field deficiencies throughout the program and lack of communication on why these deficiences do not need to be addressed or proposed solutions if they do. It’s becoming a situation where you must either conclude that Montgomery is arrogant in not responding or adjusting or simply too ignorant and inexperienced to correct and succeed.
This isn’t an athletic director issue though he would serve the school well to address it. Nobody claimed Judy was responsible for what Kragthorpe did and she would have been roasted if she tried. Similarly Gragg has nothing to do with explaining why we still don’t have players on the roster five years later that can run the only offense this coach is capable of calling, why adjustments to the offense are made only in situations where the game is out of reach, and why the clearly better passer took two years and two season ending injuries to see the field.
The buck stops there. Not Collins Hall or the Case Center.
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I don’t disagree with this detailed critique. But understand the people who run the place want us to win more than anyone. I don’t always agree with them and don’t have any allegiance to anyone outside of the Poli Sci department these days. But they want to win. This isn’t the ownership in Major League.
These people deeply care about the school and a number would do better in private enterprise. There are sometimes bigger issues with running a school like TU. Whatever the case, they need our support, not mindless criticism without evidence or reason.
These people deeply care about the school and a number would do better in private enterprise. There are sometimes bigger issues with running a school like TU. Whatever the case, they need our support, not mindless criticism without evidence or reason.
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Oh I know they want us to win. The point is that our coach apparently doesn’t have the individual ability to re-assure us that we will.
Yeah I’m not defending Monty. I was still talking about those who get mad at the powers who be for weird things without reason.
I wonder if part of Holgorsen’s compensation from UH/Fertita is unlimited comp’d rooms/buffets at any of Fertita’s Golden Nuggets?
That’s one of several problems. I won’t “enlighten” in this forum, but I will discuss the issues raised in publicly available documents, some posted over on the General Board and others on the web elsewhere.
It’s not appropriate or productive to get into the details of the dirty laundry on campus (or in some cases it is appropriate to say their dirty diapers because they conduct themselves like infants). But we can’t accurately discuss the football program without conceding that there are very serious issues, financial and otherwise, facing the university as a whole. If you want the gossip, surf the net. It’s out there. Go on campus. You won’t have to chat for long with long term staff and faculty before they open up about what went on and what we’ve got to do to remedy it, and what challenges TU faces in the near future.
So we gotta take first things first, and make do with what we’ve got in the football program. And the people involved in those programs have a fiduciary and moral responsibility to get off their ass and do better and quit making excuses after failing repeatedly. If they can’t offer anything other than excuses they need to resign.
But the people coming on here confused why we aren’t offering to hire a DC who can demand the salary of our head coach on the open market really should think twice before they post that garbage for the third or twentieth time. It’s just noise and it gets a little old after awhile.
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The Dylan archive, like the Gilcrease management agreement, do actually serve an academic function. Though maybe ill advised in hindsight.
If memory serves, and I could be wrong, the Dylan archive was actually revenue neutral. The acquisition/donation was made with funds in place for the life of the program.
No, I’m talking about student and faculty services on campus that were greatly expanded over the past ten years in various ways that don’t contribute to the direct academic mission of student instruction and faculty research. And paying several people absurd money as part of that who do not have a corresponding responsibility to generate donations to offset their compensation.
Got it. I had forgotten about the ‘revenue neutral’ part. Hopefully that is the case. Do the student services you refer to include all the on campus housing and recreation center?
Yes. In the short term, as long as the apt. are filled, they make enough money to off set the real bite on the bonds used to finance them. But the debt is still there. The problem with them will be ten years down the road when they start to look shabby like all 20 year old apartment complexes designed and built like them inevitably do. We will have to demolish and build again. And may still be paying on them at that time.
Seems that the way his teams scored, and knowing that WVU was never going to make it to the playoff, he really didn't worry about defense. Think he's the epitome of a riverboat gambler and he was just willing to take his chances with the offense.
Attach a couple of handlers to keep his arse out of trouble when he hits the casino floor and your likely on to something that would be a deal sealer.
I don’t know what kinda gambler he is but it can’t be a great one. The man has been thrown out of countless casinos and bars for being drunk and bothering female patrons.
All in all the state of affairs is sad, and it appears somewhat desperate. It looks like it's going to be a difficult time for those at the management level of the university and that tough decisions will need to be made that may be very unpopular to stabilize the ship. I'm not in the know, but the limited reading that I've done doesn't reflect a great outlook in the short term as things are corrected.
No different than LEC handling Bllly Clyde if we’d brought him back. Easy money, baby.
And all of the newer apartments along 11th and back by Kep were all a favor to Mike Case because of his support for the tennis facility and the end zone complex. I know for a fact that the then Director of Housing was not in favor of adding more apartment style housing before adding a needed new residence hall. It was a matter of what students need from a development standpoint versus what they want. Well, everyone knows who won that one which was a shame.
And the student fitness center was much needed. Mabee was an antique and lacked a lot of simple amenities needed...like air conditioning. As for the track, soccer and softball facilities...not sure but I thought those were 100% donor funded.
That’s the registration I’ve heard about. Seems that he and Fertita would be a match made in heaven.
Do we have a million dollar diversity promotion and social equity department? I love those.
After salaries, post employment benefits, and programming, I would be surprised if that cost was under a million dollars, if you are counting the Title IX compliance folks.
Yes, that is programming that has greatly expanded in the last 15 years that TU’s budget has had to absorb.
Its a few of the straws on the camel’s back, but It alone is not a burden, nor what I was referring to above.
In any event, that programming is valuable for varied reasons and is actually considered an amenity by some which enhances the ability of the school to attract certain high level academic performers, both faculty and students, who may be reluctant to look at TU because of its geographic location and the town’s historical record on racism.
Actually there are tons of jobs in diversity and inclusiveness. More than there are qualified candidates by a long way. Diversity is strongly associated with higher productivity and profitability so companies actually see these folks as revenue generators. Especially in tight labor markets where having an advantage to get qualified candidates is the difference between succeeding and not.
