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Has the Republican party changed for good?

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Frank Donatelli served as assistant for political affairs to President Ronald Reagan and as deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee during the 2008 presidential campaign of John McCain.

In retrospect, it should not have been that surprising that a fringe lawsuit brought by a scandal-plagued Texas Attorney General asking the U.S. Supreme Court to invalidate millions of legal ballots from four swing states and declare Donald Trump the winner of a presidential election that he had already lost, would attract support from 17 Republican State AGs and 126 Republicans, including their top two leaders, in the U.S. House. Important elements of the Republican Right had already turned the corner toward authoritarianism by ignoring or shrugging off several other Trump actions, including:

His conversations with his disgraced former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn who has advocated imposing martial law as a prelude to rerunning the 2020 presidential election.

His numerous conversations and meetings with local and Republican state officials post-election advocating replacing Biden electors in key states duly elected by popular vote with Trump slates chosen by Republican state legislators,

His disregard for separation of powers by raiding the Defense Department budget to build a wall that he had previously promised Mexico would pay for.His willingness to believe platitudes and empty promises of the likes of Vladimir Putin, Recep Erdoğan of Turkey and Kim Jong-un of North Korea, capped last week by his denial that a Russian hack was responsible for a massive security breach in the U.S. government.

In the past four years, the Republican Party has increasingly come to resemble the right-wing parties in Europe and South America – authoritarian, nativist, and quasi-isolationist.

Western political parties trace their development to the 19th century breakup of European monarchies. Left wing parties gravitated to forms of collectivism, including socialism and later Marxism. There are traces of socialism in today's Democratic Party, though party regulars and President elect Biden have thus far remained dominant. By contrast, the parties of the right focused on a strong central government, stability, traditional institutions and law and order above all else.

American conservatism contained roots of this tradition, dating back to the 19th and early 20th century. Indeed, the Right was still decidedly isolationist right up until the eve of World War II. In the war's aftermath, American conservatism benefitted from two developments that separated it from its European cousins. The first was the influence of the Austrian school of economics, which preached freedom as a counterweight to tradition, limited government, free enterprise and development of open markets. The second was a political movement that blended law and tradition with freedom and opportunity for all, regardless of social status. This effort to unite cultural conservatives with economic libertarians was popularized by Ronald Reagan, Jack Kemp, George W Bush and every other Republican presidential nominee until 2016.

The intellectual underpinnings of modern conservatism included a three-legged intellectual stool that featured law and tradition, limited government and free markets, and American engagement in world affairs. This philosophy dominated the GOP for nearly 50 years, from Richard Nixon's election in 1968 through 2016. The staying power was remarkable, especially considering how many times the Democratic Party reinvented themselves in the same period.
epublican presidential nominee until 2016.

But nothing lasts forever, and despite Donald Trump's two losses in the popular vote totals, the current Republican Party's demographic base and cultural outlook no longer supports the post-war conservative consensus. Republicans are not now competitive with suburban voters, young people, college educated women, or in the areas in America that are developing new technologies or fuelling economic growth. However, they are dominant in rural America and among older white voters who turned out in record numbers this year to allow Trump to remain competitive in the presidential race. In a word, right wing populism has replaced conservatism for many Republicans.

It is ironic that at precisely the time when these new and dynamic constituencies are open to ideas focusing on freedom, enterprise and a smaller more focused federal establishment, the GOP should turn inward by seeking to return to another time utilizing methods not consistent with our constitutional system.

Republicans will have another opportunity in 2024 to redefine their party, and hopefully move away from the authoritarianism it has flirted with during the Trump years and refocus its efforts on providing practical limited government solutions to mend our fraying economic strength and civic bonds.
 
"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country" JFK, 1960ish.

Hardly the montra of the democrats today.
 
As someone who voted Republican for decades and watched the party leave me by morphing into today’s version, the new consistent policy themes that has emerged are that tax cuts for the very wealthy will cure everything and democracy is not to be trusted.
 
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As someone who voted Republican for decades and watched the party leave me by morphing into today’s version, the new consistent policy themes that has emerged are that tax cuts for the very wealthy will cure everything and democracy is not to be trusted.
In the 60’s and 70’s when our parents were young, there were factories and jobs and the American brand was strong. We are in dire straits economically now compared to when you were in the work force. The question for any President then becomes how do you attract and keep companies in America? There are many financial strategies that could be successfully implemented but no one can dispute the fact that the financial strategies that were implemented over the last 4 yrs have been highly successful. I have no issues with Biden making statements that he will implement his theoretical financial strategy however IMHO he has very little room for failure. Now that the vaccinations are out, there is no excuse for a poor economy.
 
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As someone who voted Republican for decades and watched the party leave me by morphing into today’s version, the new consistent policy themes that has emerged are that tax cuts for the very wealthy will cure everything and democracy is not to be trusted.

Could always just write in Xi Jinping
 
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Suppose time will tell us the answer to the question posed. My thoughts....probably less likely than the Dems continuing their current direction and morphing into a true socialist party.
 
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In a word, right wing populism has replaced conservatism for many Republicans.

Republicans will have another opportunity in 2024 to redefine their party, and hopefully move away from the authoritarianism it has flirted with during the Trump year...
I'm afraid fear of Trump's base will keep them from making that move. And Trump may be on the ballot, causing disruption whether he wins or not.
 
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It will be interesting to see if the dynamic changes when big red is out of the white house.
 
As someone who voted Republican for decades and watched the party leave me by morphing into today’s version, the new consistent policy themes that has emerged are that tax cuts for the very wealthy will cure everything and democracy is not to be trusted.
It's hard to give tax cuts to the 43% that pay no taxes.
 
no one can dispute the fact that the financial strategies that were implemented over the last 4 yrs have been highly successful.

The best the data will support is that Trump borrowed $4Trillion from the Chinese to give to the wealthiest and to corporations which pumped up the stock market but did not deliver the growth and jobs he promised. Even before Covid the Trump economy, unemployment, wages, etc all continued to grow at the same rate as they had under Obama. Trump did set new records in national debt and huge trade deficits with China.

Just as Bush handed off the worst financial crisis in 70 years, Trump is handing off another horrible, mismanaged disaster to clean up.

The longer term damage he is doing to faith in our system of government only increases the appeal of populist candidates who claim only they can fix the system by giving them absolute power.
 
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The majority of that increased debt came during Covid so not really a good or fair example IMHO. Even with Covid, the overall economy did better under him that any president in the last 30 yrs.
 
The majority of that increased debt came during Covid so not really a good or fair example IMHO. Even with Covid, the overall economy did better under him that any president in the last 30 yrs.
The accuracy of your statements are about the same as Trump’s claim that Covid will “magically go away” last spring.

But to more to the point, the question is about whether the Republican party has become the party of authoritarian rule. Sen Hawley and Rep Gohmert want the Vice President to determine who the next President should be. They are both experienced lawyers and long term elected officials with higher political aspirations. Ted Cruz, who also knows better, is joining solely because it plays to those who now distrust our system, and it will play well when he runs for president again.
 
It will be interesting to see if the dynamic changes when big red is out of the white house.
It will be a slow death due to the various ways the two main parties have carved themselves permanently into our government in various ways. But I think the Republican Party is either finished for good or finished for now. Like when it disappeared for two decades after the Great Depression.
 
Adding education to the other trends favoring democrats make it hard to see who the republican constituency will be beyond rural voters and white voters with limited education and/or intelligence. Fundamentalists too, though there are fewer of them. Intellectual conservatism is dead.

Even in Tulsa you see a blueing of midtown and central Tulsa to pair with the increased diversity in east Tulsa. You can see how a centrist is needed to win a citywide election. No wonder the fundamentalists and low information voters are afraid.

 
Don’t be fooled by the education demographic. That’s a narrative one side wants you to buy into. That they are the party of the educated and the other are stupid hicks. It favors them in other demographics they want to win — like suburban white women who these days tend to be educated. But their value and numbers isn’t tied to whether they are educated or not. That’s just marketing and branding. Trot out a candidate that favors partial birth abortion and you’ll see suburban white women who are independent or purple in the suburbs of Pittsburgh, Milwaukee and Dallas fly to the polls at a twenty point break over other issues, even if they otherwise support abortion in other contexts.

There’s a lot of Obama Democrats in this category. They voted for him as the cool candidate. The safe one. The one with new ideas. The educated one. But throw an extreme issue out where candidates don’t matter and education will not matter too — quick.
 
The trends with Hispanics don’t point to a dwindling Republican Party to me either. I see a party that is adapting to stay viable, but in the process is less and less ideologically aligned with me.
 
The tenor of this board and from the left blames all Republicans for the Capital protest and trumps actions. Perhaps Republicans should be required to wear an R on their shirt, because it is all their fault.
 
The tenor of this board and from the left blames all Republicans for the Capital protest and trumps actions. Perhaps Republicans should be required to wear an R on their shirt, because it is all their fault.
No, All Republicans did not do this. McConnell, Romney, etc... the ones that actually accepted the results of a legitimate election...
 
The tenor of this board and from the left blames all Republicans for the Capital protest and trumps actions. Perhaps Republicans should be required to wear an R on their shirt, because it is all their fault.
No they blame the voters that defend the stupid crap trump does and make excuses for him. If you defend and make excuses for him often, then you pretty much are a part of the problem. Thus you get blamed.
 
No, All Republicans did not do this. McConnell, Romney, etc... the ones that actually accepted the results of a legitimate election...
according to aoc and many other Democrats and media types all republicans are responsible and must repent.
 
The Republican party needs a new image.

The old guard of McDonald', Romney etal, are satisfied with the status quo, part of the swamp,,week kneed, and afraid of criticism. They are just going through the motions so they can be a member of the club.

Trump provided a new visions for the party. Don't take crap from anyone, especially the media. Be aggressive with your agenda. His problem is he doesn't play well with others and is an axxhole, so he pixxed off alot of people along the way and he is now more toxic than the covid virus.

Republicans need someone to emerge that can articulate the message without the baggage.
 
Difference betweenn Trump and the rinos. Trump take on the attacks from the left
McDonald, Romney etal are just politicians who want to be liked
 
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