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Any thoughts on the two rule changes last night? Shorter shot clock did seem to result in more heaves before it expired but I didn't notice much else. The good scoring was more a product of our shooting % and how many threes they shot.

Or maybe there was some weird mental effect that contributed to the second half letdown on offense?

We kept waiting for a block/charge showdown but never really had one.
 
I thought the circle being moved out helped us go on our run. But then we quit getting the ball inside for whatever reason.
 
There are many who think the 30 sec shot clock is here to stay beginning next season. Women already use it. I like moving the arc out as it will cut down on the secondary defenders sliding under a driver or shooter.
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Basketball scores were higher when there was no shot clock, no three-point field goal and only two referees instead of three.
 
I didn't register the Shot clock change until I listened to KRMG during the half. I don't think it had that much of a changing effect other than speeding up the game some.

Same thing with the Arc moving out. As far as calls went, not much change there. I do agree it affected the way the post was defended as mentioned earlier.
 
Not a fan of a shorter clock. I think it will hurt smaller schools with lesser athletes that depend on moving the ball and cutting until the defense makes a mistake. I don't really have a problem with the scoring or pace of play now(maybe I'm in the minority), so for me it's just messing with something that's already good. College football does that and it drives me insane.
 
It's only one game, but TU and WM both averaged 64 possessions per game this season. Tuesday's game had 63 possessions per team.
 
Originally posted by ctt8410:
It's only one game, but TU and WM both averaged 64 possessions per game this season. Tuesday's game had 63 possessions per team.
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Interesting!
 
Leave college basketball alone.

We are not JV for the NBA so leave the NBA rules out. If I wanted no defense run and gun heave tests I'd go to the thunder games.
 
We have no shooters, 5 less seconds means more jacked up 3's. You want to improve scoring? Start calling fouls according to the rules of the game. When you aren't getting shoved, hacked or slapped when you try to move with or without the ball you are going to score more points.

Watch the TU NIT game against the Cheatin' 'Cuse, watch how the players played and how fouls were called. The poor officiating is the reason the scoring is down.
 
Originally posted by TulsaAM:
We have no shooters, 5 less seconds means more jacked up 3's. You want to improve scoring? Start calling fouls according to the rules of the game. When you aren't getting shoved, hacked or slapped when you try to move with or without the ball you are going to score more points.

Watch the TU NIT game against the Cheatin' 'Cuse, watch how the players played and how fouls were called. The poor officiating is the reason the scoring is down.
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Can't blame the poor officiating because then you'd have more foul shots, less flow, and fans generally getting disinterested watching guys walk back and forth along the floor to shoot foul shots. Theory would be more scoring but fans don't want to sit and watch FTs for 2.5 hours. I certainly would hate for TU to be shooting FTs for 2.5 hours...that's not good for us. There's a reason why they didn't call the outside hand checks as much this season. Because it had ZERO bearing on the game action. Granted, you have to start calling the bumps and inside stuff and that seemed so so, especially when you played Cincinnati. There's a difference between tough defense and tackling people and UC seemed to get away with a lot of tackling.
 
I think by just moving the 3pt line back to pro distance
would open up the 2pt 20-15ft jump shot
which is a lost art in basketball gamemanship
in the 3pt. era
 
Originally posted by TU_BLA:

Originally posted by TulsaAM:
We have no shooters, 5 less seconds means more jacked up 3's. You want to improve scoring? Start calling fouls according to the rules of the game. When you aren't getting shoved, hacked or slapped when you try to move with or without the ball you are going to score more points.

Watch the TU NIT game against the Cheatin' 'Cuse, watch how the players played and how fouls were called. The poor officiating is the reason the scoring is down.
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Can't blame the poor officiating because then you'd have more foul shots, less flow, and fans generally getting disinterested watching guys walk back and forth along the floor to shoot foul shots. Theory would be more scoring but fans don't want to sit and watch FTs for 2.5 hours. I certainly would hate for TU to be shooting FTs for 2.5 hours...that's not good for us. There's a reason why they didn't call the outside hand checks as much this season. Because it had ZERO bearing on the game action. Granted, you have to start calling the bumps and inside stuff and that seemed so so, especially when you played Cincinnati. There's a difference between tough defense and tackling people and UC seemed to get away with a lot of tackling.
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I am talking inside play and off the ball. I should have been more clear about that. I see outright shoving for position inside and off the ball, not what the game is about. This is a game of quickness to the spot, not wrestling for position. At least it was when I played right after the game was invented :)

Things are much rougher now but the average number of fouls called has not gone up. So the officials have been swallowing their whistles and letting this "non-contact" sport get more physical. It has affected the scoring in a negative way in my opinion.
 
Media timeouts are the biggest problem. Slows down the game horribly. Four times per half. The game isn't allowed to flow. Makes games too long. Could cut one or two out per half. Won't happen cause of loss of advertising revenue. But maybe more people would watch more exciting games. Media timeouts weren't around in the 70's. The game was much faster and higher scoring then.
 
Did anyone notice that several teams rolled the ball out to get a couple of more seconds on the shot clock. This is normal late in close games by the team trailing, but some started doing it from the get go. I'm not sure they gained much time that way because the clock starts when the player touches, but I guess it gives the player throwing the ball in a chance to be further forward sooner.

I also noticed that you pay more attention to the NIT when you have a team in it. Even after they are eliminated. So we probably paid more attention to the experimental rule than most fans nationwide.
 
My biggest fear is they turn college basketball into a mimic of th NBA. Defense means sumo the guy. Offense means grab and go, shove offs, and horrible wild play. A 15 second possession is a long one. A defensive stop means the other team threw it away.

I HATE HATE HATE the game the NBA has turned into.
 
What sumoing are you watching in the NBA? It is funny to read most of the quotes on here about the NBA and turning it into the NBA JV. The NBA offensively is about as good as it has ever been. It is really exciting to watch. My girlfriend loves the NBA but can barely stand to watch college basketball. There are 2 rounds to the NBA draft with 30 teams choosing. There are not that many kids leaving early to jump to the NBA or overseas. There are 351 division 1 teams with 13 full scholarships per team so many teams have more than 13 players per team. This is not NBA JV. Basically, I don't believe any of you on here hating on it even watch it.

Why are the women capable of a 30 second shot clock but the men are not? I think it should go to 28 even. It would make the end of games so much more exciting. Let alone more possessions and shooting and thus more baskets and points.

I think many of you crotchety white folks are just nostalgic for the days when mostly white dudes who could not dunk nor could not really even shoot either as if it was better. It isn't. It was awful to watch.
 
You are working off old NBA stereotypes. The NBA has cut way down on physical play. While one on one play is still important, NBA offenses are much more creative and efficient than they were in the past.

In my opinion, the problem with the college game is primarily with the officiating. NBA officiating is pretty good. College officiating is wildly inconsistent and substandard.
 
Y'all can watch all the NBA a games you want. I think NBA games suck and would rather watch college ball. I'm hoping to catch some soccer games during the summer, other than that sports is over until September.
 
Originally posted by nevadanatural:
Y'all can watch all the NBA a games you want. I think NBA games suck and would rather watch college ball. I'm hoping to catch some soccer games during the summer, other than that sports is over until September.
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+1 NBA regular season is almost unwatchable for this crotchety 26 year old. More possessions isn't always a virtue. In the NBA it's to the point that individual possessions feel meaningless until about 5 minutes left.

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Originally posted by PhoggyBottom:

You are working off old NBA stereotypes. The NBA has cut way down on physical play. While one on one play is still important, NBA offenses are much more creative and efficient than they were in the past.

In my opinion, the problem with the college game is primarily with the officiating. NBA officiating is pretty good. College officiating is wildly inconsistent and substandard.
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I'm willing to bet dollars to doghnuts that goldfan83 knows about 500% more about the NBA than you do and has attended about 1000% more games.
 
Gold - I see your comprehension levels are as poor as always. You do realize I was agreeing with goldfan, don't you?
 
Even if that was true, and it doesn't appear to be so in context, it doesn't make my premise incorrect.
 
You are right. It doesn't make your premise incorrect. It just makes it irrelevant and douchy - which I guess also makes it entirely consistent with most of your posts.

Also, iIf you read JesseTU, goldfan and my posts, I think it is pretty obvious who I am disagreeing with and who I am agreeing with unless you have a comprehension problem.
 
I've got the same problem with the NBA a lot of people do. There's very little fundamental basketball, the overall defense in a given game is atrocious (see OKC Thunder) and a lot of it has become prima donna rule 1 v 1 stuff. There are too many time outs and when the last 3 minutes of a close game takes 30 actual minute to finish, I lose interest. Add to that that if a superstar is playing in the game then it becomes a game of how well that individual shoots FTs. If 2 superstars are playing then it becomes a 1v1 FT shooting contest. There are games that are simply unwatchable because the referees have made themselves the focus. Fans should never know or need to know a referees name and shouldn't know them by sight. If they do its a bad sign (Steed). To me the team in the NBA that is easiest to watch right now is the Spurs (I'm a Celtics fan). They just run some good sets, play tough defense and Parker, Ginobili, and Duncan have a great chemistry.

The NCAA Championship game was tough to watch. The referees and their dance moves calling a foul. Just make the damn call...its not about you. Granted the NCAA has gotten tough to watch because of the random physicality that is allowed to occur when certain teams play (Cincinnati) and then there is no flow.

Mark Cuban has it right. Geno Auriemma is also right. Speed the college game up by going to a 30 second clock. Reduce the # of TO's per game to 4. Speed the game up.
 
I don't recall the quality of jump shooting in the NBA being so far ahead of the college game like it has been this season. You don't have to run the same kind of offense when there are athletes capable of creating their own shots and them probably going in. Circus shots from three hitting are common. You see the difference at the line too.

I don't mind games becoming FT contests bc it means fouls are getting called. We'll never go back the finesse game of the past. And if it's going to be physical, I expect defenses to be kept honest.

For me, the NBA season is just too damn many games. I don't have the available attention span until about now. And then you've got all kinds of injuries or players needing to rest.
 
Also, the timeout situation in the NCAA is also out of control. Thank you, advertising dollars.
 
30 seconds is fine. Don't change the arc inside. Reduce timeouts by one. Everything reviewable last two minutes of game.
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Phoggy,

Let's not get into a reading comprehension pissing contest. As for the rest, hello pot, I'm kettle.
 
That would be cool if that happened, but it did not, so I will just leave this thread to you and your posts that most on here don't want to read. Bye.
 
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