The majority of the country is not Republican, despite there being more Republican legislatures. You misuse the word majority.
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These “conservative” laws being passed all over the country like a wild fire are not liberal ideals. Since we only have essentially two parties in the US, I used the word Republican and majority correctly.
The states that these laws represent don’t represent a majority of the population. The “majority” of the country doesn’t support them. A minority with a disproportionate level of legislative power supports them.
If you want to talk about what the majority of people in America support it’s not these conservative laws. If you want to talk about what people who control the majority of land assets support then sure, a majority of those land Barrons support these backwards laws.
And here I thought that property ownership wasn’t paramount to what your voting right should be in post civil war America....
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It’s really not. You don’t logically conclude that closing a voting place early (before the end of normal business hours when people can’t get off work) might have an effect on the amount of people who vote?
if you want to vote, you will figure it out
early voting, mail in ballots, employers give time off on election day to go vote. in texas they hold most elections on saturday to help people vote
Not all employers give time off, even if they are legally mandated to (it’s costly to take your employer to court for such a violation). As far as early voting and mail in ballots go, Republican legislatures are trying everything they can to make it as unnecessarily inconvenient as possible. And, it’s constitutionally mandated that federal elections happen on Tuesday. (Thanks to the omnipotent foresight of our founders /s)
One would think this would hurt Pubs more than Dems given the unemployed tend to vote Dem at a much higher rate then the employed.
I’m going to make it where people can only vote on the 3rd Tuesday after the 1st crescent moon of the year, and they can only do so at a DMV between the hours of 8-12 AM on Sunday. For many people, that time would be the freest possible time they had. Make no mistake, my law in no way was written to make sure that conservative Christians would be less likely to vote. *wink wink*.
“Those that want to vote will find a way” That was pretty much the slogan of southern segregationalists imposing poll taxes.
How arbitrarily difficult do you think I have to make it to disincentivize 1% of the R electorate from voting? 5%? 10%?
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there will alway be someone who can't vote on election day. whatever the hours, that is why we have early voting and mail voting
We didn’t used to have either of those. Dems lobbied for them. Some states still don’t allow either of them. Now, as it finally becomes more broadly popular because of its ease and the lack of major fraud evidence around it, conservatives have begun to mandate arbitrary restrictions to make it less efficient and less easy. “You had 8 mailboxes to put your ballot in? Oh let’s make that 2” “why?” “Because I said so.”
That’s how it should work, but thanks to our friendly local conservative legislatures, in some places you can only use the ballot mailbox.
Voting is the most important function we as citizens have. No way in hell we should allow that function on a wide scale to go unsupervised.
I mean they don’t exist everywhere or you have to use special boxes in special locations.
I have never heard of a special box. then hand it to your mail carrier. or take it to you local post office, polling place or court house.
I actually agree with this. I think mail-in this past election should be considered an exception due to the pandemic.
IMO - Federal elections should be a country-wide holiday on the same level that Christmas and New Years are. Very few places are open, gives most individuals ample time to vote at a time convenient for them, and those who still have to work on that day still have federally mandated allowed time off from work to vote.
Well, when a Republican donor is purposefully monkeying with the USPS delivery times right before Election Day (meaning your mail wouldn’t arrive soon enough to be counted or wouldn’t be counted because their postmark wasn’t early enough people wanted to drop off their ballot. Some counties didn’t allow you to drop it off at the clerks office.... there are many factors you’re missing.
fivethirtyeight.com/features/more-states-are-using-ballot-drop-boxes-why-are-they-so-controversial/amp/
bho cut usps funding startinfg 2012 and 2016. those cut caused the main in ballot problems in 2020.
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs (A Trump appointee) telling Matt Gaetz to shut up about critical race theory.
I think he was saying that he knew the vague background behind the theory but he hadn’t fully read up on it to this point. The point he was making was that, even if it’s not a valid or productive theory, that it dealt with an important enough topic for our society (and the military’s functionality) that it was worth at least understanding even if we don’t agree with it the conclusions that the theory comes to. Much like the various communist theories of Mao, Marx, and Lenin.
Probably not your best example. The spread of those theories have resulted in tens of millions of deaths throughout the world not to mention starvation and countless despair for millions more. However, I do agree with the concept. The obvious issue is when such a theory is used as a reason for silencing counter theories and speech. Much like we saw under Mao, Marx and Lenin. Ironic huh.
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As far as how many people have died in the name of capitalism, that number is far from small. In fact part of the racial problems we are trying to address were caused by abuses of free market capitalism (slavery).
That was literally his example, not mine. I believe from his point of view it was being well educated about the theories of those you have disagreements with. I.E. learn about your adversary before going to battle against them, and learn about the strengths and weaknesses of your own forces before going into battle as well.
As far as how many people have died in the name of capitalism, that number is far from small. In fact part of the racial problems we are trying to address were caused by abuses of free market capitalism (slavery).
I would argue free market capitalism in the form of drugs play a critical role as well is we’re arguing the dangers of capitalism. Of course drug capitalism is present in all forms of government but more prevalent in free market environments due to the expansion of personal freedoms. The deaths attributed to Mao, Marx, Lenin and their followers aren’t even in the same conversation as the number of slaves who perished in name of american capitalism. Pol Pot 2 million. Stalin 4 to 10 million. Mao up to 50 million.
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I don’t have a dog in this conversation on CRT related to the video shared. However, it is tough to estimate numbers of slaves killed in the name of American Capitalism. If this means any slaves who perished while enslaved, which I would argue it does since they were creating wealth for their owners, then it is likely within the Stalin range you’ve provided.
I would argue that it not only includes the people that perished as a result of servitude but also the lives on both sides of the fight for people who fought for and against the government regulation of a certain form of labor usage, and the states’ rights to adhere to that regulation or not. The American civil war was basically a referendum on having a more capitalistic or less capitalistic society. The side that wanted less free market and more regulation won that fight. Just like the Russian Civil War 50 years later, with the reds and the whites was a referendum on a more or less communist society.
All this is before we start talking about people dying from colonialism in Africa and elsewhere after slavery ended (in name only) in much of the world. It also doesn’t include the oil wars in the Middle East, the US propping up dictators who killed plenty of people, the deaths of laborers who were for centuries taken advantage of in terms of safety due to a lack of labor protections (think sailors, coal minors, railroad workers, etc...), or the sweat shops that sprouted up across the Asian continent after we were able to open up their economies to become markets that we would consider much more “free” than they had been before our trade agreements.
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Now, I would like you to read about the Bengal famine if you think that the same sorts of things haven’t happened in capitalist societies as happened in Mao’s society. It wasn’t on the same level of famine as Mao’s but it certainly wasn’t something we should just breeze over either. And that was largely caused by a guy that many westerners revere... Churchill
Hell….let’s throw in Genghis Khan while we’re at it. Maybe the human being responsible for the greatest percentage of deaths relative to total population in human history.
That said, I’m not sure anyone comes close to Mao as far as shear numbers. We probably could add up the deaths caused by the top ten people (as far as deaths) of all time and still far short of Mao’s total.
Agree on Churchill. There were obviously some contributing factors but Churchill shares by far the most blame.
That said, I’m not sure anyone comes close to Mao as far as shear numbers. We probably could add up the deaths caused by the top ten people (as far as deaths) of all time and still far short of Mao’s total.
Agree on Churchill. There were obviously some contributing factors but Churchill shares by far the most blame.
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If you want to judge pure (or nearly pure) free markets with nearly pure communism then i think you have to include everything that they’ve both done. I would say that means from the adoption of each system. (To me, I would say Capitalism in earnest started around the time of Adam Smith) and Communism in earnest obviously started after WW1.
One might argue (I’m not saying it’s wholly valid, but just an observation) that the deaths related to Jim Crow policies from outside the African American community as well as the strife existent within the African American communities related to their under development under Jim Crow, might also be attributed to the abusive capitalistic practices their ancestors suffered through.
I would like to make clear though, that I don’t believe capitalism alone or communism alone, or socialism alone are a superior system. I think the best economies and societies have figured out a way to balance a market that’s as unburdened as much as possible with enough protections of labor and communal interests that it doesn’t allow for exploitation of the masses.
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slavery was a world wide practice going back 2 or 3 thousand years including the Egyptians Pharoah it existed in the US for 100, 150 years?
how do you know? just because cnn, etal dont report it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. no nothing hunter receives million in foreign consulting fees, touchy feely joe, extort ukraine funding to stop a corruption investigation, knowledge of illegal fbi spying on a political opponent, personal deals with China and Russia
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Nor does it mean it does happen. Which political opponent do you think he had knowledge of spying on? Hillary on Trump? Obama on Trump? Cuz that didn't happen. Where's the proof used in court?
What does it matter towards the US responsibility for deaths caused, if slavery existed elsewhere. 90% percent of the slaves brought to the new world were brought to the Carribean & Brazil. 4% came to the U.S. Still doesn't erase the death toll of slaves in the U.S., or make it a more or less favorable comparison to the deaths attributed to Stalin. Straw man argument here as well.
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At a time when other major powers had given up the practice (without bloodshed I might add) the South viewed it as a cornerstone of their market economy, to the point they fought a war over it.
Look at the growth of the African American community like the effects of compound interest. Slaves started with essentially nothing when they were emancipated, then they lived under Jim Crow for 100 years which essentially meant their growth rate (you can say in terms of wealth or in terms of societal growth) was lower than that of the country’s average. Even after Jim Crow, they’ve still had to deal with things like police brutality or not receiving the same kinds of business opportunities that other races do, and the growth was also stilted by the problems inherent in their own community related to socioeconomic disparities left over from Jim Crow. (Tenements in Harlem or Detroit for example)
Essentially, the US created 200+ years ago a large caste of second class citizens and everything that’s been done since then, hasn’t helped them move from that caste. In some cases what’s what was done, had the effect of making things more difficult on them.
