Chad Morris
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2015 6-7
2016 10-3
2017 2-10
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can we do it too
2016 10-3
2017 2-10
2018 3-9
2019 3-7
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can we do it too
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Next OC at Tulsa? A poetic story of reuniting a long lost OC with where his collegiate coaching career started, and the joining together of two HCs who were way in over their heads.
Seems to me if he couldn't win at Arkansas with all of their advantages, how would he win here, even as an OC.
Certainly not a pig lover here but... I’m not sure given another year Morris wouldn’t have begun winning in Arkansas. That is an incredibly young team and the cupboard was empty when he got there(to run his scheme). They were to have a top 30 class coming in at his time of dismal. Two years just isn’t much time when the wheels were already off the cart.
Yeah, Arkansas doesn't do projects or long term rebuilds. They played like a HS team in a HS scheme. I don't care how young they are. On offense, TU is pretty young too (especially OL) but no one is advocating for Monty to stay another year (well maybe 1 or 2 people). I don't see where Arkansas has anything coming in that remotely closes the gap between them and LSU or Bama. Hell, they can't even get close to A&M right now. And that's where Hog fans need a dose of reality. The SEC west is Bama, LSU, and everyone else. Arky fans thinking they remotely have a chance is ridiculous. It's like South Carolina and Tennessee fans thinking they're ever getting close to Florida/Georgia in the East.
Chad Morris did in fact do well here in just 1 year as OC. He did well at Clemson as OC also, helping turn them from competitive to national champs with a top notch offense.
He was a mediocre head coach at SMU and UA somehow thought he would be a good HC based on that. He's a great offensive mind, even if he failed as an HC. You can't compare being HC at Arky vs OC at Tulsa. Gus Malzahn was also kicked out of Arky before being wildly successful at Tulsa and just about everywhere else.
Gus was "kicked out" as you say because Frank didn't believe in that hurry up offense. Chad has rode the coattails of Gus. If one HS coach from Texas is good let's try another.
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Short of paying players, there is no chance Arky is anything the SEC other than the big boys beotch. If they learn to stick with a coach for more than a couple years they may be able to pull a .500 record out of the SEC and have winning seasons based on scheduling body bag teams in their OOC schedule. Time for them to meet reality and get a healthy dose. Too bad they won’t open accept reality, kidding their delusions are actually pretty funny.
Throwing rocks from a glass house, eh? You know they could say most of those same things about Tulsa in the AAC, right? I know UA was abysmal this year and played worse in their losses, but 2-8 vs Tulsa at 3-7 with a 1-5 conference record.
UA has been about as successful as Tulsa recently. In fact, if you go back to 2005, their number good/bad/mediocre seasons closely resemble Tulsa's with a lot of up and down, punctuated by a few big 10 win seasons (Although Tulsa has 2 championships and 5 10-win seasons vs 0 and 3 for Arky). Most every fan base needs a dose of reality. UA has far more fans to make the public meltdowns so much more prominent. OU fans melt down when they lose 1 game or just have bad defense. OSU fans do when they lose 3-5 games in a year.
Did you forget about 2009? That was the season after Malzahn left. Tulsa dropped from top-5 down to middle of the pack. The offense was a shell of itself, even with Damarris Johnson and most all that other offensive talent Malzahn helped bring in (like Charles Clay). The talent was there, but the scheming was terrible. Chad Morris came in in 2010 and immediately turned it into a top-notch running machine.
Arkansas is an embarrassment in every way.
And being better at running an offense than Todd Graham doesn't make you some kind of savant.
And being better at running an offense than Todd Graham doesn't make you some kind of savant.
It's not just being better than TG, he was vastly better and coached a previously-mediocre offense at TU to become an elite offense as a run-first team. He also helped turn around Clemson which had been a bad offense and was ~12-15 the seasons before he arrived. UC ended up going around 40-11 while he was the OC with a top-10 offense most those years.
He's a great OC and not a great HC. There's tons of coordinator-only coaches like that. Very few OCs have had even close to the success Morris has had as OC.
Regardless, it's highly unlikely he will end up back here. TU won't pursue Morris, Morris won't consider OC here and/or Monty won't want to hire any new OC.
But whoever gets Chad Morris at OC will have an incredible offensive mind who will turn their offense into a great one.
But whoever gets Chad Morris at OC will have an incredible offensive mind who will turn their offense into a great one.
Malzahn only got the job at Arkansas because they wanted the Springdale 4 (Mustain and 3 other really goo players). Houston Nutt had no intention of letting Gus open up his bogus offense there (bogus offense that led the nation the next 2 years). One of the biggest mistakes Arkansas has made and they've pretty much sucked ever since.
I'll agree with this take. There are a ton of good coordinators out there...not all of them make great HCs. This is true in college and the pros.
Monty won't 'trust' Morris as an OC. Morris won't want to or be good at being an OC, with Monty's 'system'. There are only a few on Monty's 'trust' list. Most of those OC's on his 'trust' list are somehow tied to the Baylor offensive system. I bet he is considering and/or having a quick talk with Kendal, that is if TU would even let him entertain the idea of hiring him.
I don't think Kendall is the poison he was 3 yrs ago. With his dad still making headlines in TX HS football (and not all good), Kendall can still be isolated from controversy. Plus, TU would give him very little leeway. It's touchy but not out of the question (although Huffy and Gold and Pats who have better inside info may have heard something about this from their insider sources).
You are absolutely correct and I am 100% aware that we are truly in that position at this time. I do however believe, that we have a better opportunity to dig out of it than the pigs do. There is no Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, A & M, etc. in the AAC, so I feel better about our chances.
Forget about A&M...they're wannabes in the SEC too. The delusion of Arkansas and A&M is thinking that they will ever be consistently better than Bama, LSU, or Auburn. You may be 1 or 2 of them each year but it is highly doubtful you will beat all 3 and unless you beat all 3 in a given season, you're never sniffing a divisional championship. Realistic goals should be set and if you think you're going to win the SEC even 1 out of every 5 seasons at Arkansas or A&M you're pretty delusional (I know A&M fans hate hearing that since they just spent $7.5M per season on Jimbo)
As I mentioned earlier in Hurricane Alley, Morris is 18-40 as a head coach in just under five seasons. He was 14-22 (8-16 AAC) at SMU...had one decent season (7-5) and got hired at Arkansas. Sonny Dykes is 14-8 at SMU in less than two seasons.
I was surprised that Arkansas hired him, but I wasn't surprised to see them fire him after that WKU game.
I’m with you. He should never have been the guy coming into that position. was Long the guy responsible for that hire or the poor fool that followed him? They really missed their opportunity to have a top notch AD when they passed on Gragg....
Maybe they should bring back Bobby Petrino!
While you’re bringing back people, just go all the way back and bring back zombie Frank Broyles.
I know you're joking, but I highly doubt he'll ever get to that as very few ever do. He's a great OC and was not a great HC, simple as that.
Hiring Morris to Arky after a few mediocre seasons at SMU (where he did make them competitive, barely), reminded me of Wake Forest hiring Danny Manning from TU after a couple very mediocre seasons.
WF seemed to think Manning turned TU from a dumpster fire into a competitive Cindarella, while in reality, he took a team with some players with raw talent and coached them decently (not greatly) and finally got them playing to their potential for half a season before jumping ship. Turns out, the players were in fact up-and-coming and very competitive, but Manning is not a great coach and WF has been terrible under him. Looks like he's more of a developer (as he had proved at KU) than a strategizer and while he can get some newer guys up to speed, he's probably not as great at taking guys up to that next level or out-coaching others.
I'm not happy that you're probably right, but that's also potentially the demise of Monty. Morris is an example of the kind of varied methods TU needs (an arsenal of various run plays and techniques to run over/around teams, even with a moderate o-line). Monty's run up the middle often, then throw deep offense was hot and great back in 2015/2016 but it is easy to stop now.
It needs to evolve into something else at this point to keep its edge and certainly needs more check-down options. Perhaps the missing puzzle piece was just another year of QB, WR and o-line experience, but that has been rough to go through in year 5: 55% completion percentage, 3.0 ypc rushing, and those 2 leading to so many short drives! Only 132 ypg rushing! 3.0 ypc is by far the worst rate at TU in well over a decade, a full 1.24 yards down from last year and 2.25 ypc down from 2016. Something must be off schematically to see such a drop, down to near last in the country. You could line up guys and play the most simple vanilla offense and do better than that.
1st point- you're right. There needs to be some variety. Morris, Milkman, whoever you need to get in there to put some tweaks in to the system will only help. Monty is also too close to the offense for him to change anything because it admits he has screwed something up.
2nd point- part of the decrease in production I think, has to do with Brooks and his running style. I pointed out he likes to jitterbug side to side too much. Instead of picking up 2-3 yds on a carry, he gets stopped for no gain. It is why Wilkerson and Taylor have been more productive per carry runners. They'r more north and south and hitting the line at close to full speed. And Brooks has gotten a much larger portion of the carries each game this season. And just for giggles, what is the per game avg. if you remove the Michigan State game from the calculation? That one is an outlier and not really predictive of what our running game actually is.
Petrino had Arkansas on the right track. Their only loses in his last year were to LSU at #1 and Alabama at #3, and they ended up playing for the National Championship. If he hadn't gotten his ass kicked by his affair's boyfriend, no way he got that hurt in a motorcycle accident and she walked away unscathed, Arkansas would have become an SEC powerhouse. They have the money, they have Walmart money, they just need to put it in the right place.
And I am not a piggy fan.
I'm pretty sure Petrino's star would have come crashing down even if he didn't get in the motorcycle wreck. Just like at Louisville, he had some unsavory characters at Arkansas. My guess is either they get found out being paid by coaches or one player murders another (ala Baylor basketball). Outside of Kragthorpe, Louisville athletics was pretty damn crooked for a damn long time.
Petrino is thankfully OUT of college football. That guy epitomized narcissism, sociopathy and abject greed. Not to mention he was a douchebag who cheated on his wife (who is a middle-aged hottie btw) while paying for his mistress' wedding expenses...
Rushing is 3.4 ypc minus the MSU game, still the worst at TU in a long long time. Even if you take out the negative yards from Smith, TU still averages just 4.0 ypc (and isn't a fair way to compare to previous seasons where TU is typically close to 5 ypc even including sacks).
Brooks is averaging 4.1 while Taylor is just 3.6. Wilkerson has done well but has too few carries to really compare fairly.
Last year Taylor was the better runner and averaged 4.8 vs 4.2 for Brooks.
Rushing Receiving Scrimmage
Rk Player Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD
1 Shamari Brooks 202 822 4.1 6 8 47 5.9 0 210 869 4.1 6
2 Corey Taylor II 109 394 3.6 5 1 11 11.0 0 110 405 3.7 5
3 Zach Smith 66 -68 -1.0 0 66 -68 -1.0 0
4 T.K. Wilkerson 38 182 4.8 4 1 12 12.0 1 39 194 5.0 5
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/tulsa/2019.html#
Thanks. I am not suggesting taking out the sacks from this year, just the MSU game as a whole. It seems to be an outlier.
I think what we have seen from Wilkerson is why people continue to advocate him getting more carries each game. He runs downhill.
