Bye, Frank
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2 things.
1. I want to know who was escorted out of the Reynolds center. Was it you @drboobay lol
2. his tone is much different when asked if he will be back as he knows he really can’t use COVID this year like he did last year.
we all have seen the defensive struggle this year and I standby that reason why we last those 11 games.
1. I want to know who was escorted out of the Reynolds center. Was it you @drboobay lol
2. his tone is much different when asked if he will be back as he knows he really can’t use COVID this year like he did last year.
we all have seen the defensive struggle this year and I standby that reason why we last those 11 games.
The reason he said for the poor recruiting was COVID. (It didn't seem to hurt our opponents recruiting) What about the poor recruiting all the other years and the lack of recruiting local where it is easy to go out and see the recruits often? There unfortunately are no excuses left.
I’ll believe it when I see it it officially being a done deal, I still think he will be here next year
I believe he will be here next year as well. He just got an extension in March of 21. Will cost too much to buy him out.
Which was an extremely stupid thing to do, I seriously wonder about how “ intelligent “ the administration really is. Ya , you might pay to fire him, but you make that up by getting a coach that will put out a good product and then you get fans in the seats ect
The big question is are you and your dad ready to step in as the new coaches ?!
I got enough people that hate me right now. Not trying to add to it. Lol
Same here lol, no hate from me though! I always find your posts interesting even if we totally suck lol
Haith‘s best seasons were his first 2 seasons, with players he didn’t recruit. They were good, not great seasons. 2020 was a good season, but we had zero chance of an at large bid. It was a long shot to win the conference tournament. He’s also had 5 seasons of average to poor results.
Haith has had 8 seasons as head coach. He has not had one season that was special. He’s not had one season that created a buzz around town or caused a meaningful increase in attendance. Haith had an overall mediocre first 7 seasons followed by this embarrassment of a season. Season 9 with Haith would look similar to this season.
Getting a new basketball coach is step one for a TU basketball rebuild.
Haith has had 8 seasons as head coach. He has not had one season that was special. He’s not had one season that created a buzz around town or caused a meaningful increase in attendance. Haith had an overall mediocre first 7 seasons followed by this embarrassment of a season. Season 9 with Haith would look similar to this season.
Getting a new basketball coach is step one for a TU basketball rebuild.
He got a one year extension with a reduced buyout so buying him out now is the lowest it will ever be because they never let a men's contract run out. Several have told me the money to pay him off would never be less than this month. So you either keep him ten more years till he retires or change now. Giving him another year extension just makes the buyout next March the same. A new coach from the assistant ranks will still be much, much less at least for the first couple of years. Those guys are not paid very well as assistants and will jump at a head coach opportunity. And they deserve a chance.
I’m afraid that hoping for a coaching change is just wishful thinking at this point.
Nice win today.
Nice win today.
He has to win the tournament. The goal is and always should be to make the NCAA tournament.
and again on Thursday. And maybe Friday, and maybe Saturday......but doubt Sunday.
No they extended him at the end of the season before. I believe that was also with undisclosed details
Tom Crean is available. I think he is a good coach and did great things at Marquette (also lost to Tulsa with Dwyane Wade, Travis Diener, and a great little PG whose name escapes me). I think the big conference life is not for him to be honest. He was good at Indiana but Georgia has struggled a lot in basketball since Tubby Smith left there.
I think he could come in to a place like Tulsa and get it turned around quickly. He wouldn't be my first choice but he is available and there could be worse coaches out there.
I think he could come in to a place like Tulsa and get it turned around quickly. He wouldn't be my first choice but he is available and there could be worse coaches out there.
I think existing head coaches and retreads are out. Too much money for the same or lesser performance than you get from an up and coming assistant coach.
As usual, there are a lot of guys that have feelers out in case TU makes a change, and the Tulsa job is still seen as a very good job -- there is plenty of interest. But the vast majority of those "potential" candidates would demand a high "market rate" salary (well above what Frank is making), which just isn't feasible for TU right now.
A low seed team winning the conference tourney is almost impossible. TU plays a very good SMU team tonight we’ll see.
Coaching change? Let’s see how March madness plays out. I wouldn’t mind seeing a high flying juco coach come in. Great value, instant team. A Nolan Richardson repeat.
Most of the potential coaches have never seen Oklahoma.
Coaching change? Let’s see how March madness plays out. I wouldn’t mind seeing a high flying juco coach come in. Great value, instant team. A Nolan Richardson repeat.
Most of the potential coaches have never seen Oklahoma.
None of the dozens of the Assistant Head coaches who are inquiring about the job now demand a higher market rate than Haith is making now. They can double their salary and still be under Haith's and get the job of a lifetime. Nolan and Tubby still are profusely appreciative of the opportunity TU gave them even with reduced salaries.
I think it's more feasible than what most on here think. I really think there are a group of boosters/potential boosters that Dickson knows well who would be willing to pony up for the right coach...those boosters will of course want some say. My dream candidates: Kim English, Eric Henderson from So Dakota State, Matt McMahon from Murray State, then David Patrick. This should be the starting list.
Henderson's salary right now is a base of $275k and some incentives he could boost it. I believe there is an annual $25k raise (signed 3 years ago). https://watchstadium.com/south-dako...contract-salary-buyout-incentives-10-09-2019/ 100% we could go get him at a decent $1M/salary which is where we should be at as a minimum for our coach. If he wins, he gets more. Henderson is also the type of coach boosters would flock to and support.
McMahon's base is $500k with a $500k buyout. He has 1 yr left on the contract so I'm sure Murray State will be working on a 3-5 yr extension with him.
Patrick makes $250k salary from OU PLUS $350k outside compensation.
English makes $925k with up to $450k in bonuses after that. George Mason has really ante'd up for him.
BUT, it's not just about the HC salary. TU needs to absolutely boost the assistant coach salary pool as well as the training coaches and recruiting budgets for the next guy. Again, all of these things are do-able by TU if Dickson gets the right guy and gets boosters excited about things again.
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That is predicate on TU letting the boosters donate for appearances sake. Up to this point it seems the boosters couldn't get involved over the fact that retirements and such couldn't be funded for academic support personnel and the like.
Great post BLA.... If only QT could become a huge basketball booster to us like Fed-X is to Memphis and Fertitta is to Houston. We have the basketball reputation.......we need the money.......
From reading comments, I think a lot of folks believe a change is fairly feasible. There is a lot that goes into it, and Gmoney brings up one consideration above. There is money set aside or being compiled for certain things that aren't athletics related, so there is an optics issue as well. And yes, there are some boosters/donors that have money ready for a coaching change. But the dollar figure involved with buying out Haith's contract and getting someone else in place is much higher than many are guessing. TU could possibly bring in an alum to coach at a discount, but that presents its own issues. So letting Haith complete his contract is a real consideration.
To protect sources, there are current details I can't post, but this is not a simple deal.
I can only explain what I'm getting from my sources, and most of the guys that are interested -- and TU would have mutual interest in -- aren't going to take peanuts. The AAC has paid it's top coaches as much as $3.5 million. Go down to the bottom feeders, like East Carolina, and you are still close to $1 million. Then there's the consideration of Haith's buyout, even if you're able to spread it over five years. There is a lot of math for TU to consider, along with navigating some of the decision makers that aren't athletics-minded...and the optics of it all.
But again, there's the option of going with an alum at a lower rate -- and maybe that is what you're referencing -- but that also has it's own issues.
Maybe so...but they're (TU admin) are taking a real risk of not having any fans next season if he's back.
They are going to lose in the long run if they keep Haith, you have to invest in the program, it takes money to make money , don’t understand how that is so hard for the administration at TU to understand
And what do you think Haith's butout is? From my sources lower than you are alluding to
I wasn't given the exact figure, just told it's quite a bit higher than the rumored number that had been going around.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a change won't be made...just that there's a lot being considered right now due to financial strain. I know a final decision has not been made. I'll post additional info in Hurricane Alley as I get it.
