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And how many protesters were injured by the police?Maybe it is time to start using guns.
And how many protesters were injured by the police?
So do you mean that police just stopped an innocent person going about his business and injured him?And how many protesters were injured by the police?
Do you mean people randomly injured police officers dressed in full riot gear? Seems like that's a tough task.So do you mean that police just stopped an innocent person going about his business and injured him?
Two thingsDo you mean people randomly injured police officers dressed in full riot gear? Seems like that's a tough task.
Kind of ironic when the guys with Guns, Shields, Night Sticks, Pepper Spray, Helmets, BulletProof Vests, Elbow + Knee Pads, Tear Gas, etc... are the ones I'm supposed to feel sorry for and not the people who are being robbed of their 1st Amendment rights. (The nonviolent ones)
And how many protesters were injured by the police?
When police start beating innocents without cause they become tyrants. I will take the former over the latter.Once protestors start throwing bottles, rocks and fireworks they obviously become rioters. Thanks for posting.
You can’t take away everyone’s rights to peaceable assembly just because some aren’t peaceableHey guys, check out the First Amendment.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
We all love the First Amendment..."or the right of people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Peaceably to assemble. Some of these assemblies have not been peaceable. The First Amendment rights do not include violence or destructiveness.
Typically in revolts you’re destroying the property of those who you believe to be oppressing you opposed to that of your fellow citizens. We obviously have destruction of government owned property but a vast majority has been the property of other citizens. People involved in revolts seldom target each other.
I don’t think this is true....and even if it was, the people in Portland who are going up against the feds were destroying the government property that they viewed as being oppressive. Same goes for people burning down police stations. (Not saying they SHOULD have done those things) but we would have promoted such actions if they were undertaken in places where we disagreed with the ruling government. If they started doing these things in Iran or North Korea, Fox News would be elated about it.Typically in revolts you’re destroying the property of those who you believe to be oppressing you opposed to that of your fellow citizens. We obviously have destruction of government owned property but a vast majority has been the property of other citizens. People involved in revolts seldom target each other.
So much to argue with here. Fox News got in here. Hitler will be next. As far as Iran or North Korea those people would be dead or in jail You aren't saying they should have done those things, but you are defending them. People in Portland are oppressed? Look at the rioters. Many are non oppressed white youth and the local government is encouraging them. Many are doing it just for fun.I don’t think this is true....and even if it was, the people in Portland who are going up against the feds were destroying the government property that they viewed as being oppressive. Same goes for people burning down police stations. (Not saying they SHOULD have done those things) but we would have promoted such actions if they were undertaken in places where we disagreed with the ruling government. If they started doing these things in Iran or North Korea, Fox News would be elated about it.
When large groups of people feel that their government isn’t working for them anymore they have a tendency to do rash things and to lash out. That’s been repeated throughout history. The best way to defeat that isn’t through jack-booted thugs... it’s through a government that’s willing to listen and adapt to society’s desires.
First amendment rights don’t include trying to burn down federal buildings or destruction of property. Let’s not forget that the violent protestors are acutely better armed and trained in Portland than many of the federal officers they are attacking. The G20 Summit in Hamburg and the Hong Kong Protest were pre designated training opportunities designed to hone this groups skills. Portland is near and dear to my heart as I lived, worked, and studied in Portland for 2 yrs. What the Fake Media isnt talking about is why these people are protesting! It’s not for GF, it’s about destroying the current system and replacing it with a Marxist system. Last time I checked, trying to overthrow the US government is called treason, punishable by confinement and or death!Do you mean people randomly injured police officers dressed in full riot gear? Seems like that's a tough task.
Kind of ironic when the guys with Guns, Shields, Night Sticks, Pepper Spray, Helmets, BulletProof Vests, Elbow + Knee Pads, Tear Gas, etc... are the ones I'm supposed to feel sorry for and not the people who are being robbed of their 1st Amendment rights. (The nonviolent ones)
Many Americans would rather die before they give an inch to the Marxist demands!I don’t think this is true....and even if it was, the people in Portland who are going up against the feds were destroying the government property that they viewed as being oppressive. Same goes for people burning down police stations. (Not saying they SHOULD have done those things) but we would have promoted such actions if they were undertaken in places where we disagreed with the ruling government. If they started doing these things in Iran or North Korea, Fox News would be elated about it.
When large groups of people feel that their government isn’t working for them anymore they have a tendency to do rash things and to lash out. That’s been repeated throughout history. The best way to defeat that isn’t through jack-booted thugs... it’s through a government that’s willing to listen and adapt to society’s desires.
Back in the revolutionary war, they called those people "Loyalists".Many Americans would rather die before they give an inch to the Marxist demands!
It depends on what you are loyal too. I will be gladly called a loyalist to the United States when it comes to tearing down the country and replacing it with a socialist regime.Back in the revolutionary war, they called those people "Loyalists".
Many Americans would rather die before they give an inch to the Marxist demands!
You can go out in the streets en masse, and scream that opinion at the top of your bloody lungs. Nobody will deny you that right, no matter who wins the election. You might have to move away from rioters, looters, and those throwing projectiles, to maintain that right, but the right will still exist.who are the Marxist.
I see them as the Democrats, doj, blm, antifa. the left, those that make excuses the riots and burning,those blaming trump for covid19, sanctuary cities, chop, Portland protesters, occupy wall street, Adam shiff, jerrry nadler, nancy, biden, aoc, people who have no respect for this country and kneel for the nation anthem, those that deny me the right to my opinion,
Two things
1. All that riot gear doesn't mean much if you are only allowed to be defensive. Let a number of people strike you, burn you, poke enough times and it might start to get through.
2. Nobody is being robbed of their 1st Amendment rights that I am aware of. Freedom of Speech, Religion, right to protest all fall in that group along with some others. You can hold up a sign with BLM or yell "Trump is a dirty dog." The First Amendment is rather quiet about any right to burn buildings, tear up government property, beat people, loot stores... you get the idea.
If I am concerned about damage to our planet by non-electric cars, I can use my vote and my Representatives and Senators to try to change things. I can't slit all four of your tires, which would be more dramatic, but also illegal. If there was a lot of that, you might call the police. When they came they might have guns. The people doing this are called criminals. It has gone past protest. One persons right to swing his arm in protest ends at the next persons nose.
Why would you just not move to a socialist country? Think about a realistic outcome to your statement about tearing down the country. If that happened, you are looking at a situation like Syria where the country still exist but it will never be fully united again. At best after a civil war, the socialists would get half the country. At best! So say you got your wish, Who would control the nukes? How would the socialist establish a government? Who would be their trade partners? Would other governments recognize their autonomy and not intervene? Would other countries Or groups like the cartels invade a split America? A social system requires everyone working and paying into the pot to share the benefits. Would there be an infrastructure left after a civil war to form an effective functioning social system? What would your constitution look like? How would you Police? It’s one thing to say you want to bring down the system but quite another thing to actually do it. Even if you did it, do you think the outside entities that funded your civil war won’t demand to be put in charge? Good luck with that!It depends on what you are loyal too. I will be gladly called a loyalist to the United States when it comes to tearing down the country and replacing it with a socialist regime.
I'm sure the Whigs / Royalists in London really approved of the governmental style of the United States and the shirking off of a king.It depends on what you are loyal too. I will be gladly called a loyalist to the United States when it comes to tearing down the country and replacing it with a socialist regime.
Uh, yes they were, as well as the government's property. It's apples to apples.Were the Patriots of 1776 destroying their fellow citizens property? Apples to oranges comparison when it comes to their “protests” methods.
So you're saying they should (like the Sons of Liberty) start directing their destruction at the persons and property of government officials? LMAO How do you think that's going to play on Fox News? I'm sure Trump will take really kindly to people storming his golf courses or Trump tower and destroying things. /sQuickly reading through those acts of the Sons of Liberty is appears almost all were directed at the property of government officials which they opposed. Again....almost all of the property destruction over the last several months have been at the expense of fellow citizens who have zero to do with the matters being protested. Quite different than the acts of vandalism and violence referenced.
You completely misunderstood my post. I am loyal to the United States of America and the Constitution.Why would you just not move to a socialist country? Think about a realistic outcome to your statement about tearing down the country. If that happened, you are looking at a situation like Syria where the country still exist but it will never be fully united again. At best after a civil war, the socialists would get half the country. At best! So say you got your wish, Who would control the nukes? How would the socialist establish a government? Who would be their trade partners? Would other governments recognize their autonomy and not intervene? Would other countries Or groups like the cartels invade a split America? A social system requires everyone working and paying into the pot to share the benefits. Would there be an infrastructure left after a civil war to form an effective functioning social system? What would your constitution look like? How would you Police? It’s one thing to say you want to bring down the system but quite another thing to actually do it. Even if you did it, do you think the outside entities that funded your civil war won’t demand to be put in charge? Good luck with that!
So you're saying they should (like the Sons of Liberty) start directing their destruction at the persons and property of government officials? LMAO How do you think that's going to play on Fox News? I'm sure Trump will take really kindly to people storming his golf courses or Trump tower and destroying things. /s
Like, there's no way that's a good idea. Honestly it would probably cause an all-out civil war.
And now, when people were trying to graffiti a PUBLIC building or remove a Racist Statue, they are having Trump's National Security thugs summoned upon them.... seems a lot like 1776 to me. The king's soldiers are just wearing camouflage fatigues instead of red coats.
Not hard to believe at all. Last month, he was saying our Founding Fathers were morally repugnant slave holders who deserve to be expurgated entirely from our culture and history books. This week he is saying they were noble criminals and therefore their crimes are excused. For now. For the purpose of defending his indefensible position. Because he thinks you won’t argue against our colonial heritage. Because he knows that it’s absurd to say what is happening in Portland and Seattle is OK.I’m saying once you start the violence and destruction of your neighbors property your message become just that...one of violence and destruction. There’s no place in our society for thugs and rioters who seek to harm their fellow citizens or their valuables. Hard to believe someone would even argue this point.
You know, the tax men, and the soldiers of the crown were still the neighbors and fellow citizens of the revolutionaries in 1765.I’m saying once you start the violence and destruction of your neighbors property your message become just that...one of violence and destruction. There’s no place in our society for thugs and rioters who seek to harm their fellow citizens or their valuables. Hard to believe someone would even argue this point.
You know, the tax men, and the soldiers of the crown were still the neighbors and fellow citizens of the revolutionaries in 1765.
Our founding fathers didn't just hold up signs in the streets, criticizing the crown. They were thugs and rioters who sought to harm their fellow citizens and their valuables. Hard to believe that you can't acknowledge that these 'thugs and rioters' don't have some basis in history for doing things that supporters of the government in power get upset about.